I took a flop with 86 soooted (6.5)

[Green Kool Aid]

I normally fold this preflop yadda yadda yadda, but decided to get frisky in position. Thoughts?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1350)
UTG+1 (t2205)
MP1 (t4180)
CO (t990)
Hero (t1445)
SB (t1860)
BB (t1470)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, CO calls t30, Hero calls t30, SB calls t15, <font color="red">BB raises to t60</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, CO calls t30, Hero calls t30, SB calls t30

Flop: (t390) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t240</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t240, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>

Turn: (t870) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t1145 (All-in)</font>,

[wiggs73]

Post flop is fine IMO, but if you're going to play this hand pre, I think I'd rather bring it in with a raise since you're on the button and everyone has limped.

[mlagoo]

i disagree with everything wiggs said [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

i would limp here, i think it looks good and you've got good odds to hit big and try and take someone's stack.

i like your flop bet, but i hate hate double hate your turn bet. we need to get to showdown with this hand! for as cheap as possible! please check through turn next time [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Green Kool Aid]

mlagoo--

i agree that preflop and flop are good. my question basically was turn. a normal sized bet commits me. my only problem with checking turn is that i only have 6 outs that allow me to call a big river bet, and as of now i have a lot of FE and most likely 9 outs, and always the possibility of a donk calling me with a worse hand at a 6.50.

given this information, is a push that bad?

[wiggs73]

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i disagree with everything wiggs said [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Further proof that my "downswing" was not "variance".

[mlagoo]

GKA,

the thing is, i don't think you need to call a big riverbet. if he bluffs you by making a big bet on an unimproved river, good for him. the majority of the time, though, i think he either has the goods or doesn't bet the river.

[wiggs73]

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i disagree with everything wiggs said [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

i would limp here, i think it looks good and you've got good odds to hit big and try and take someone's stack.

i like your flop bet, but i hate hate double hate your turn bet. we need to get to showdown with this hand! for as cheap as possible! please check through turn next time [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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A couple of questions...

A) Why not raise pre on the button? The thing I hate about playing so passively on the button pre is that the times we flop a draw, it's hard to take an aggressive line that looks consistent with our pre-flop play... So now you're setting yourself up to make a bunch of calls and hope to get there with what probably won't be anything close to the nuts if you do.

B) Why not bet the turn? Has villain not played this hand like a flush draw up to this point? If villain has 2 over card hearts, the turn is the first time we've been ahead in the hand, yet you're also saying it's the first time you wouldn't put chips in the pot. Of course if you don't have a flush draw or overs in villain's range and think his line is more indicative of a set, then my reasoning obviously doesn't hold.

[mlagoo]

wiggs,

a) i just think that you have very little fold equity preflop (people are crazy at this stage of the tournament), so you pretty much never take down a nice pot preflop. obviously you might take it down with a CB sometimes, but a lot of the time you'll be taking multiple opponents to the flop and a CB will be ineffective.

i guess it's just that i'm not looking to build a big pot with this hand. i wanna invest my 30 chips and try and make 1500 out of it.

b) well yeah, he's played it like a flush draw. he's also played it like 4x, 56, A8, 77, and a bunch of other hands. so i'm not as concerned with charging his draw as i am showing down my weak top pair.

[Oxy]

I think you need to let this go after the flop, especially at a 6.5.

[man]

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A) Why not raise pre on the button? The thing I hate about playing so passively on the button pre is that the times we flop a draw, it's hard to take an aggressive line that looks consistent with our pre-flop play... So now you're setting yourself up to make a bunch of calls and hope to get there with what probably won't be anything close to the nuts if you do.

B) Why not bet the turn? Has villain not played this hand like a flush draw up to this point? If villain has 2 over card hearts, the turn is the first time we've been ahead in the hand, yet you're also saying it's the first time you wouldn't put chips in the pot. Of course if you don't have a flush draw or overs in villain's range and think his line is more indicative of a set, then my reasoning obviously doesn't hold.

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I don't think we have any reason to believe villain pays any attention to our preflop play, so a preflop raise won't gain us much in value. I like a limp here.

I think the flop bet is perfect. however if we bet this turn we're commiting ourselves to the pot with top pair no kicker. check through turn and river, and call a medium sized bet on the river.