Baseball HOF Results

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Sutter in. Everybody else out. Honestly I doubt any of the others will ever get in.

[TheRover]

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Candidate Votes % of Votes
Bruce Sutter 400 76.9
Jim Rice 337 64.8
Rich Gossage 336 64.6
Andre Dawson 317 61.0
Bert Blyleven 277 53.3
Lee Smith 234 45.0
Jack Morris 214 41.2
Tommy John 154 29.6
Steve Garvey 135 26.0
Alan Trammell 92 17.7
Dave Parker 76 14.4
Dave Concepcion 65 12.5
Don Mattingly 64 12.3
Orel Hershiser 58 11.2
Dale Murphy 56 10.8
Albert Belle 40 7.7
Will Clark 23 4.4
Dwight Gooden 17 3.3
Willie McGee 12 2.3
Hal Morris 5 1.0
Ozzie Guillen 5 1.0
Gary Gaetti 4 0.8
John Wetteland 4 0.8
Rick Aguilera 3 0.6
Doug Jones 2 0.4
Greg Jefferies 2 0.4
Walt Weiss 1 0.2
Gary DiSarcina 0 0.0
Alex Fernandez 0 0.0

ozzie gullien lol.

[Kevin]

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Sutter in. Everybody else out. Honestly I doubt any of the others will ever get in.

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I can't stand the idea of relievers (read failed starters) getting into the HOF. Look at Gagne's stats as a starter befroe he went to the pen, or better still, look at the collection of 40 save Reds (Williamson, Graves) who were mediocre at best when starting the game versus finishing it.

Really cheapens the honor for teh guys like Aaron, Mays, etc.

[samjjones]

Sutter and Gossage were the first two guys on the cusp of the "Closer Era". Like it or not, the advent of the closer changed the way the game was played. So when you combine his stats and impact on the game, I think Sutter isn't a horrible inclusion.

For that same reason, I think Tommy John/Dr. James Andrews should be inducted.

Next year should be interesting with Gwynn/Ripken/MCGWIRE on the ballot. McGwire furor should be entertaining.

[DVaut1]

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Candidate Votes % of Votes
Bruce Sutter 400 76.9
Jim Rice 337 64.8
Rich Gossage 336 64.6
Andre Dawson 317 61.0
Bert Blyleven 277 53.3
Lee Smith 234 45.0
Jack Morris 214 41.2
Tommy John 154 29.6
Steve Garvey 135 26.0
Alan Trammell 92 17.7
Dave Parker 76 14.4
Dave Concepcion 65 12.5
Don Mattingly 64 12.3
Orel Hershiser 58 11.2
Dale Murphy 56 10.8
Albert Belle 40 7.7
Will Clark 23 4.4
Dwight Gooden 17 3.3
Willie McGee 12 2.3
Hal Morris 5 1.0
Ozzie Guillen 5 1.0
Gary Gaetti 4 0.8
John Wetteland 4 0.8
Rick Aguilera 3 0.6
Doug Jones 2 0.4
Greg Jefferies 2 0.4
Walt Weiss 1 0.2
Gary DiSarcina 0 0.0
Alex Fernandez 0 0.0

ozzie gullien lol.

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I don't know what's worse, Walt Weiss getting 1 vote or Gary DiSarcina being on the ballot at all. DiSarcina had 28 career HRs and a career .258 BA, made one All-Star team, batted over .300 once and over .260 twice.

Why was he even on the ballot?

[TMTTR]

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I can't stand the idea of relievers (read failed starters) getting into the HOF.

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Funny to say that when Sutter gets in. He can't be called a failed starter since he never started a game in the majors... the first true relief pitcher elected.

[KilgoreTrout]

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Like it or not, the advent of the closer changed the way the game was played

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I agree with this in Sutter's case. Really dominant closers merit inclusion. That said, I can think of only one current closer who should be in the Hall, and he's starting to level off now.

Not sure how I feel about a closer's team results being brought to bear though. Would Rivera be worthy if he pitched for the Reds?

[Caldarooni]

I don't know much about it, but Hershiser is/was never expected to make it?

[LionelHutz00]

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I can't stand the idea of relievers (read failed starters) getting into the HOF. Look at Gagne's stats as a starter befroe he went to the pen, or better still, look at the collection of 40 save Reds (Williamson, Graves) who were mediocre at best when starting the game versus finishing it.

Really cheapens the honor for teh guys like Aaron, Mays, etc.

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Starting pitcher and relief pitcher are like two different positions.

What if Roger Clemens started off as a shortstop but it didn't work out, so he became a starting pitcher? He still would deserve the Hall because he's a successful starting pitcher. He wouldn't be disqualified because he wasn't a great shortstop.

[TheNoodleMan]

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For that same reason, I think Tommy John/Dr. James Andrews should be inducted.


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I think you mean Dr. Frank Jobe.