Dodging bullets?

[Swax]

Very soft 2/4 game - site has no hand history so I apologize. BB is the closest to a decent player - pretty standard TAG. MP1 is hopeless.

Hero is Button with KdQd.

MP3 posts blind. Folds to MP1 who calls. MP3 checks. Folds to hero who raises. SB folds. BB 3-bets. MP1 cold calls, hero calls.

Flop (3 players, 10.5 SB): Qc Ad 3d

BB bets, MP1 calls, hero raises, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, hero caps, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn (3 players, 11.25 BB): Qs

BB checks, MP1 checks, hero bets, BB raises, MP1 folds, hero...??

Am I seeing monsters or is this AA or AQ 100% of the time?

[Leobzook]

I call down from here, even if flush hits on the river.

[Gregatron]

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Am I seeing monsters or is this AA or AQ 100% of the time?

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It will be fairly often, but not enough to fold. Calling down is still a good idea. I don't again raise unless the case queen hits the river.

[OziBattler]

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I call down from here, even if flush hits on the river.

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nh. Seems reasonable to me. just dont make a big laydown.

[Swax]

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Am I seeing monsters or is this AA or AQ 100% of the time?

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It will be fairly often, but not enough to fold. Calling down is still a good idea. I don't again raise unless the case queen hits the river.

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hmmmmm...I mean, I understand that the pot is huge at this point and hence it would take a beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt read to lay this down, but on the other hand I just cannot think of any other hands that I could put villain on at this juncture. Any suggestions?

BTW - perhaps "standard TAG" isn't even a good description of villain - he is of the common breed of players at this level that play conventional/solid preflop and will bet the flop for exploratory purposes but usually won't raise the turn unless they really have the goods. Plus, the checkraise here screams someone who cleverly assumed that someone made trip queens and was waiting to punish them.

[Manhammer]

I think we can just call down from here. I think villan will show us AA or AQ pretty often, but we definetly can't fold.

[ZenMusician]

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BTW - perhaps "standard TAG" isn't even a good description of villain - he is of the common breed of players at this level that play conventional/solid preflop and will bet the flop for exploratory purposes but usually won't raise the turn unless they really have the goods. Plus, the checkraise here screams someone who cleverly assumed that someone made trip queens and was waiting to punish them.

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NH sir. I will be watching your future posts, and hopefully others will
as well. You clearly understand this level of play.

-ZEN

[Aaron W.]

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Very soft 2/4 game - site has no hand history so I apologize. BB is the closest to a decent player - pretty standard TAG. MP1 is hopeless.

Hero is Button with KdQd.

MP3 posts blind. Folds to MP1 who calls. MP3 checks. Folds to hero who raises. SB folds. BB 3-bets. MP1 cold calls, hero calls.

Flop (3 players, 10.5 SB): Qc Ad 3d

BB bets, MP1 calls, hero raises, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, hero caps...

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I don't like that.

[milesdyson]

i dont like it either. our equity is nothing spectacular after he 3-bets the flop. everyone sees flush draw + pair and thinks the pair adds all this extra equity. well when you're AT BEST adding two outs here (the queens when he has AK), it doesn't make much of a difference because he will outdraw us a ton with AA or QQ.

[MacGuyV]

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BTW - perhaps "standard TAG" isn't even a good description of villain - he is of the common breed of players at this level that play conventional/solid preflop and will bet the flop for exploratory purposes but usually won't raise the turn unless they really have the goods. Plus, the checkraise here screams someone who cleverly assumed that someone made trip queens and was waiting to punish them.

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NH sir. I will be watching your future posts, and hopefully others will
as well. You clearly understand this level of play.

-ZEN

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I would like to give a thumbs up to this description as well. A lot of these guys aren't much different than LP fish in terms of postflop play other than they read a couple of kiddie pool books and so they learn to raise light on the flop for information and free cards.

I dunno about this hand though. He did check/3bet a bettor and a raiser OOP so that's a little different than raising some random flop donkbet to his immediate right. The cap is probably still ok because you have position and value but I hope you weren't planning on betting a turn brick. I'm not a fan of the initial flop raise either.