Stop the weak-tight madness.

[Preytar]

I fully expect to get flamed for this post, but I think it is necessary.


I lurk this board a lot, and have done so for a long time. I try to read most of the posted hands, and I make the occasional reply. This board has helped me play better poker, and I owe many of you a huge amount of thanks.
That being said, what the hell is wrong with some of you? How are you people winning money with this weak tight advice that I see in just about every thread? "Limp big suited broadways from MP with one limper". "Fold a suited Ace in the CO with 3 limpers because we might be dominated". What the hell are you thinking? Why are you telling others to play this way?


I'm afraid the majority of the new players think they are much better than they really are. Therefore, they feel they can overcome the "slight" loss in equity they give up by limping by allowing more players to see a flop cheaply. "I don't want to put another bet into the pot with these two big, suited, connected cards because the flop might miss me". What they don't seem to grasp is that by not raising they are giving away a tremendous advantage and allowing drawing hands that have no business in their pot to get the right odds to take one off and beat them.


Here is one from Ed Miller that you should be passing along: "Save pots not bets". Put in an additional bet/raise to win the pot. Don't fold on the river for one bet even though you might not have the best hand when the pot is large. It only takes a few correct calls to make up for the few bets that you lose when you are wrong.


The majority of the players at this level are not sharp enough to comprehend the playing style outlined in SSH. Use that to your advantage and attack the LAGs and TPP's in your games.


I play poker for a lot of reasons, but mostly to make money. You make substantially more money by playing an attacking style of poker at these limits. Go do it...now, and stop the weak tight crap advice.

I might be off base to write this type of rant, but the players on this board should know better. I'm writing this to remind players that a lot of peole read your replys, and take them to heart. I realize the best way to get better is to reply to posts without reading the other replies first, but if you are unsure of the quality of your reply let the reader know that. Put "grunch" at the top of your post or identify your response as speculative.



There are many good posters in this forum. If you want to get better at this game, read posts from players like Mr. Wookie, Eeegah, VoraciousReader, Gregatron, jaxUp, and Shillx. Compare their advice to yours, and improve.


Brian

[Buckmulligan]

serious? I remember when I used to make stating the obvious posts like this.

A good way to detect pedantic threads like this is the use of that damn Ed Miller quote: "Save pots, not bets." Such a platitude.

[Preytar]

You think I'm trying to show off? If I came across that way, I worded this poorly.

I wrote this hoping that new players and players like myself who lurk don't get caught up in the bad advice that continues to become the norm rather than the exception.

[Buckmulligan]

This is a stage. Don't worry, we all go through it and it indicates the right of passage through the micros. Just put your LAG style on the backboard when you play at higher limits. Not continuating on every turn with overs not may seem weak tight, but it's good poker.

And ya, your post is not in the least bit explorative or inquisitive. It's purely authoritative, so ya, it's a showoff.

[Preytar]

Point taken, with humility.

[kiemo]

Heres you flame!

This is a micro limit board. Players dont start playing poker with all the knowledge you apparently have. They make -EV plays and generally dont understand why certain plays are better then others. So they play and read and post and learn. They dont need a seasoned pro like yourself to tell them they are stupid and are playing bad, they need to learn that on their own through experience. Telling them to limp with Ax suited after 3 limpers does no good for them if they dont understand WHY they should limp. You see a poster giving terrible advice, then address that poster in the that thread, instead of posting new threads with blanket statements.

Also you seem to think by being on this board that somehow makes a person 'know better'. Now I signed up here a long time ago and there was no poker knowledge requirement for a forum account, in fact all you needed was email. Has this changed? Are you now required to take some sort of poker test before you can get a forum account? You have KJs in MP3 with one limper. Raise, Call, Fold? Call - bzzzt you lose no forum account for you, go read SSH and come back, then maybe you can post on these boards!


In short - get over yourself.

[MacGuyV]

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I fully expect to get flamed for this post, but I think it is necessary.

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I'm glad you're preapred because I think talking about "weak-tight" play in a vacuum is pretty stupid most of the time. I think the creation of the phrase "weak-tight" has caused a lot of players to spew because they don't want to be called weak-tight.

Are there too many posts where people limp KQ in late position with 1 weak limper in front of them? Sure, but I see just as many posts that say: "I didn't want to call because it felt weak". As if "feeling weak" is a good reason to spew chips or make a dumb fold.

Just my opinion.

[Preytar]

I'm not going to argue with you at all. This is micro forum, and it is designed to learn. That is precisely why I advised players that were unsure if their responses were appropriate to identify them in their posts.

I have never held myself up to the quality of play of many of the posters on this board. I know that there is always somethin new to learn, and that I am not a perfact player. Nor will I ever be.

I do feel that the quality of the posts that are presented here is critical to the improvement of the players that will eventually move into the small, medium, and high stakes games over time. There is nothing wrong with posting an incorrect response as long as it is qualified as a grunch.

[Gregatron]

Why don't you post here more?

[bozlax]

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There is nothing wrong with posting an incorrect response as long as it is qualified as a grunch.

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So, I now have carte blanche to post misleading advice as long as I put "grunch" at the top?! Sweet! Screw you n00bs!

And when they come after me because I made them lose their entire BR, you've got my back, right, Preytar?

(This thread sucks. That wasn't even any fun.)