Three hands from 20$ 180

FBP · #1 04-02-2006, 04:04 AM

Hand 1:

Hadn't PO open in either so i don't have much info about vilain, but i was focused and they looked standard a bit tight a bit aggro [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t7140)
UTG (t3100)
UTG+1 (t5120)
MP1 (t2045)
MP2 (t7905)
MP3 (t8900)
CO (t6315)
Button (t7445)
SB (t6645)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t600, 2 folds, MP2 calls t600, 3 folds, SB calls t525, Hero calls t450.

Flop: (t2400) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t750, UTG calls t750, MP2 calls t750, SB folds.

Turn: (t4650) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks...

Like? With 2 callers i was pretty confident it wouldn't be checked around, first player after me is shortstack and likely to push quite a few hands and the next one who covers me a little won't be able to get away if he calls shortie.

Hand 2: Probably not the most interesting, simple call/fold on JJ.

Only info is the vilain came back from shortstack a few hands ago, i considered that means he isn't likely to do stupid push right now? Bad assumption?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t4335)
SB (t3155)
BB (t2765)
UTG (t3840)
Hero (t3445)
MP1 (t9355)
MP2 (t1100)
MP3 (t2817)
CO (t2056)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of t150.
Hero raises to t450, 6 folds, UTG (poster) raises to t3990, 1 fold, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t4515

Was this weak? My thinking: I raise UTG 3BB, he put me on a likely real good hand and just push to not put a warning on his monster. That or he has AK and just push it. I do the first scenario myself from time to time with decent results, at least when players aren't good.

I try not to make too many bad fold, here i wasn't getting great odds and his hand range really didn't look good for my JJ i felt.

Hand 3: Final table, i've been card dead for a long time, nobody will bust, i just luckbox'd a double up by pushing Q5s in SB called by A7s.
Vilain is known for lots of minraise preflop and 3/4pot CB litteraly everytime. So i'd classify him LAG.
I've been at his table for a while, and while he will fold easily when played back at. The only time i remember him 3betting when checkraised he had a big made hand (sounds like he's pretty good except the minraise preflop).

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB (t33635)
UTG (t71080)
MP1 (t57448)
MP2 (t23629)
CO (t17103)
Button (t36175)
Hero (t30930)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Button raises to t4000, Hero calls t3000, 1 fold.

Flop: (t7600) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t6000, Hero raises to t12000, Button raises to t18000, Hero???

Many different ways to play it i guess: Fold preflop? push preflop? Push on his CB? Open instead of letting him CB (bleh)? Call his CB only (looks like a decent possibility but feels too weak)?

And on my decision, can you get away from this with 14k left?

Thanks for giving me some input.

Slap My Jack · #2 04-02-2006, 06:11 AM

Hand 1:

You played this hand completely weak or too trappy.

This call preflop is usually horrible, but fortunately there are a bunch of callers making it so you get 5 for 1 at the very least plus any implied odds. And you are only playing this for set value.

Make a real bet on the flop, or go for a strong checkraise. Don't donkbet and hope donks will reraise in a family pot.

Why did you check this turn?

Are you trying to act scared of a Q and then checkraise? Then people really know you have a monster. I think there are enough players in this pot that you could at least bet out for half the pot on the flop.

If you are going to check/call here, I think you're being too trappy for your own good, and you're missing out on value by playing it like this. There are enough people in the pot that you should be able to take a normal aggressive line here and get paid off.

Also, a turn card could scare away your action, and not betting enough on the flop might not make them feel potcomitted.

Hand 2:

I don't know. Might be considered a 'read dependent' hand. I think I spite call here sometimes if I'm below the stack average. You see all kinds of retarded crap limp-pushing in these things. Or if he has QQ or better, then I spike a jack to suck out and call the guy an [censored].

Hand 3:

I don't feel I can give a good response for this one, except I hate the min-checkraise here.

NoahSD · #3 04-02-2006, 06:22 AM

I agree with everything slap said.

Ross · #4 04-02-2006, 07:05 AM

hand 1 Debatable as to whether or not you should have called with the 3's but now you have a monster, your bet on the flop was small & got 2 callers but you cannot count on them betting out. If either has AdKd handing them a free card is terrible play. Bet out between half and 3 quarters of the pot.

Hand2 Depends on the player but limp reraises in my experience = KK AA or maybe AK although I have pulled it on a few occasions with other hands generally JJ is going to be at best a coin toss. By the way if your opponent has AA this is poor play as he is already heads up.

Hand 3 Hate this if you put the button on a steal reraise pre flop if he comes back at you fold. Calling leaves you in this mess. You are now in a horrible position you are pretty much pot committed and my guess is you are behind but you have never put your opponent to the test (I also hate the min check raise). Can you fold yes because there is another short stack you might sneek in front of if making money is your aim no if you want to win this thing stick your money in a and pray he has a T with a lesser kicker.

FBP · #5 04-02-2006, 07:28 AM

Hand1: Preflop yeah it's obviously for set value only getting great odds on the bb.
Flop i bet, went too fast so i didn't size the bet better that was bad yeah. 1200-1800 better? Also the board is really draw dry so i m not too scared of being outdrawn.

Turn well this is were i tried (gotta learn and try new things) being tricky considering stack size i felt there was a good chance i'd stack two guys at once with the check. And it's supposed to look plain "2 flop callers means i'm beat, i give up", not playing the queen really. I build up the pot on flop a little and now let people value all-in/bluff.

I'm not actually scared at all at any point postflop (although set overset happens i don't watch this out), just trying to find a line to get all their chips in there. There is the standard bet => push turn or river or check raise flop push turn. Man i was proud of this check lol, but i'll gladly take any input good or bad thanks either way.

Obviously from your reply i was quite wrong in how i tried (or you mean i shouldn't even be tricky sometime).

Hand2: This is not a limpraise from the guy, converter f..... up, the vilain is BB and i really am UTG.

Hand 3: I probably shouldn't have put "Hero???", as this is mostly a line question. I rarely call a raise OOP at this stage of the tournament, so i miss a little experience in how to handle those situations. All of this hand can be argued and i'd like to hear your ideas, this is the hand which probably offers the most place for different ideas i feel.

And the guy is loose, so i'd really hate to reraise and see him call then i miss flop 2/3 and am left OOP in the dark with only pushing as an option really... How much would you reraise? Cause the pot is already 8k when it gets to me.
Sounds like a situation where a reraise pf is a push no? If i reraise i haven't got a pot sized bet left.

betgo · #6 04-02-2006, 10:10 AM

Hand 1: Preflop anmd flop are OK. The turn brings draws and it is likely someone has connected some way, so continue to lead out.

Hand 2: Raise to 4xBB initially. The fold is probably right.

Hand 3: Push preflop. Push the flop. Push to the reraise. He may have you beat, but you are pot committed.

In general, in all three hands you made donkbets.

FBP · #7 04-02-2006, 10:37 AM

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In general, in all three hands you made donkbets.

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That's quite probably right lol, i tend to trap too often by making donk bets, got this from playing too much with retards who will just push on any sign of weakness on a CB to play sherrif [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

P.S: Just making sure, "donk bets" means undersized bets right?

betgo · #8 04-02-2006, 10:41 AM

You didn't make the small bets in situations where they would represent weakness, like a small cbet. You made a small early position reraise at a limper, a small lead out from the blinds in a multiway pot, and a miniraise on the flop. All of these represent strength rahter than weakness.

FBP · #9 04-02-2006, 10:58 AM

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Hand2: This is not a limpraise from the guy, converter f..... up, the vilain is BB and i really am UTG.

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Right i didn't understand why you said raise 4BB in hand 2. I'm opening UTG, the vilain is BB and push after everyone fold around to him.
Otherwise yeah my standard preflop is 3BB+1per limper.

Slap My Jack · #10 04-02-2006, 07:04 PM

Since hand 2 wasn't a limpreraise..

I don't think KK pushes here, and people are action desperate with AA so I am not sure if we see that here too often. Paranoid QQ/JJ might push. I've seen medium pairs do this a lot (JJ-88).

AK/AQ might be doing this.

I have less of a problem with folding here now though.

And one justification for raising more with JJ preflop is because with JJ/QQ if AK/AQ/AJ/Ax calls and misses the flop they will fold, so you make your money preflop with these.