Poker bots and HU Limit

MrGatorade · #1 03-26-2006, 05:06 PM

I posted this in the heads up forum but would like everyone's take on how to beat them.

I am a regular on UB, Prima Etc. for Hu limit play between 15/30, 20/40 and 50/100. I need help with how to deal with the poker bot explosition. All sites now have users(bots) that are strictly on automatic and make pretty good decisions. I HATE BOTS. I ABSOLUTLY hate them and this topic is not really addressed to much in any forum I read. I am here to name names and get the truth out about bots. I believe they are using commercial programs like winholdem and other programs easily available on the internet for anyone to use.

Lets start on UB. playing 15/30 HU you have perrorjo. After 8.5K hands in PT with him and recoreded all hands with him I have found that he is a bot. It is impossible to call,raise,fold in exactly 1.25 seconds each time over the course of 3 hours and 473 hands he did it EVERY time. After analyzing its play for 2 days straight in poker tracker it raises the same exact way with the same exact cards each and every time. I want to know if anyone else has any infomation on this so I can exploit it and DESTROY the bots!!!

On prima poker you have lots and lots of bots. A lot of them love to sit at a 20/40 6 max table using the collusion feature of winholdem I believe. Since I have never used a bot and only researched and read about them I have my own evidence that it is happening through poker tracker and 113K hands of data. Here are the names of the users playing bots on Prima.

-Alphapkr
-Lau23
-Kung_Poa

All 3 of these players I have again 100% verified not to be real humans. One trick I have found that works great to deturmine if they are real or not is to sit out then wait a min or 2 then sit back in and they will start back INSTANTANIOUS where they left off and bet or call etc. right away over and over. This is just a rant but I will post more and more as I get more information. I want all of us to rise up and try to defeat these bots.

Also- Pokerroom almost all 15/30, 25/50, 50/100 players that just sit 24/hr a day for 6 days straight are not real!!! Again timiing issues and exactness are going to be there downfall. Also I wouldent care about a bot if i could beat it consistently but I cant and it sucks. Just want support on how to destroy them. Not playing them is not an option... Thanks for letting me vent.

Alobar · #2 03-26-2006, 05:08 PM

wow, looks like youve got this all figured out. I think instead of posting it here, you should prolly call support at these sites, im sure they would find it interesting.

teddyFBI · #3 03-26-2006, 05:33 PM

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After analyzing its play for 2 days straight in poker tracker it raises the same exact way with the same exact cards each and every time. I want to know if anyone else has any infomation on this so I can exploit it and DESTROY the bots!!!

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I just checked my PT and found that I raised every KK I was dealt over the last week, and ALWAYS folded 84o. Wow, turns out I'm a bot -- thank you for bringing this to my attention.

plonker · #4 03-26-2006, 05:33 PM

Yep you seem to have a lot faxts to back u your claims.

P.s good rant by the way

teddyFBI · #5 03-26-2006, 05:36 PM

Alright, now my non-sarcastic reply.
You seem to have done a little more research than the typical "poker is rigged" poster. Why waste it here though...just what do u want a bunch of college-aged poker players to do for you?
Bring it to the sites' attention, and report back re: what they tell you. There was a SNG bot Saabpo who ALWAYS acted in exactly the same number of seconds, and it was ultimately caught and banned by the poker site. The timing issue, and propensity of those players to resume play as SOON as you come back from 'away' is indeed suspicious. Bring it to somebody's attention who has the power to do something about it, not the schmuks here.

Canard · #6 03-26-2006, 05:40 PM

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would like everyone's take on how to beat them.

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Clearly the only way is to be create somekind of superbot to fight back.

Mason Hellmuth · #7 03-26-2006, 05:41 PM

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would like everyone's take on how to beat them.

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Clearly the only way is to be create somekind of superbot to fight back.

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Voltron?

tomdemaine · #8 03-26-2006, 05:43 PM

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would like everyone's take on how to beat them.

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Clearly the only way is to be create somekind of superbot to fight back.

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OP,

Report it to the sites they'll check it out and sort it I'm sure.

ckmo · #9 03-26-2006, 06:28 PM

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..... Not playing them is not an option......

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wait...so let me get this straight. There are bots at the limits you play. They beat you. It makes you angry. Yet you can't click the 'stand up/leave table' button or not sit in the first place? I confused.

Guthrie · #10 03-26-2006, 06:29 PM

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All 3 of these players I have again 100% verified not to be real humans. One trick I have found that works great to deturmine if they are real or not is to sit out then wait a min or 2 then sit back in and they will start back INSTANTANIOUS where they left off and bet or call etc. right away over and over.

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Must be a bot, because if you sat out against me HU I'd be raising every hand while you're gone.