Turning Stone 550 ESPC, Bad Spot with Huge Draw

driverseati · #1 08-24-2007, 02:41 AM

50-75 level, effective stacks 4800 to start...

utg limps, utg+1 limps, I limp with A4cc on the button, bb (Ansky) checks.

utg two hands prior just doubled me up with J9 vs my AK getting it all in preflop. He is obviously bothered in some manner from that hand. The limp from him is an instalimp.

utg+1 is about a 60 year old man, has played 0 hands prior to this hand. No other reads other than that.

BB is Ansky, enough said.

Hand: Ac4c

Flop: Ad 2c 3c

All 3 check, I bet 225, Ansky asks how much I have behind, I say 4500. He then makes it 850, utg folds, and now utg+1 makes it 1850. (Pot now 3225)

What is the best play here?

Edited to add pot size.

Exitonly · #2 08-24-2007, 02:55 AM

You're not gonan take the pot down w/o showdown, and you dont have the best hand right now, but super strong draw, and theres a guy that you can invite in behind for even more money...

sounds like pretty straightforward call. Old guy will underbet the pot on the turn too, so we can call profitably there too.

ZJ123 · #3 08-24-2007, 03:06 AM

im pretty sure its shove or fold ray.

Exitonly · #4 08-24-2007, 03:19 AM

You think we have any fold equity? We're getting 2:1, if ansky shoves i dont think we care, with the $1800 of old guys money in there and maybe the rest of his stack and our draw to chop/to the nuts.

Or is it because we woudn't get paid off when we hit a club

Exitonly · #5 08-24-2007, 03:22 AM

folding would be pretty bad, i think

ZJ123 · #6 08-24-2007, 03:23 AM

theres going to be 4k in the pot and we have 3k behind, im pretty sure hes gonna shove most/all turns, so we will only get one card here (and if hes nitty enough might even fold a Club turn)...

shaundeeb · #7 08-24-2007, 03:23 AM

call hope it gets 3 way it's more +EV that way you need to hit to win and when you hit you beat both.

ZJ123 · #8 08-24-2007, 03:24 AM

i think i just shove flop and hope for two callers, and if i lose its 11amish and i can go to bed.

gobboboy · #9 08-24-2007, 03:25 AM

Call, fold if the board pairs to a non ace.

ZJ123 · #10 08-24-2007, 03:26 AM

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call hope it gets 3 way it's more +EV that way you need to hit to win and when you hit you beat both.

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Well regardless of what we do i dont think ansky is calling without 45 or a set, and i doubt it matters what we do, i really dont want to have to fold the turn, why not just get it in now.