Guy flips up opponents cards (Conversation with Dealer)

[rbenuck4]

Playing at resorts in Indiana when the following situation comes up.

Heads up at the Turn. Player A puts out a bet. Player B folds. Player A flashes his cards to player C, then tosses them in the muck. Player D grabs the cards and flips them up. Dealer gives a little smile (him and player D know each other). I give a confused look, dealer looks at me and says "Do you have a question?" in a not so nice tone. Appropriate response?

[Dranoel]

Call Floor, in which case Floor will probably give him a warning.

Note to self... Dealer just cost himself some tokes from me for the rest of the down.

[AngusThermopyle]

"I understand the 'Show one, show all' rule. But I was under the impression that it was the dealer's responsibility to enforce it, not that of a player at the table."

[Dranoel]

And then, If the dealer looks at you when you win a big pot & you don't tip...

Look at him and say, "Do you have a question?"

[Mano]

"Yes, could you please call the floor?"

[youtalkfunny]

You freaking nits! All of you.

Yes, I know the letter of the law is that Player D should hand the cards to the dealer, and let HIM turn them up. But in this case, what's the freaking difference?

Anyone who complains about this is someone who just looks for things to complain about. No harm, no damage, no threat, no possibility of trouble...but it's a chance to bitch about something, so we should all scream about it.

[Tony Tone]

That is rediculous for anyone to grab someone elses cards and do that. There is nothing that the floor could do besides warn them though.

[SuperUberBob]

Somebody did that to me once. I was making a bluff at the flop that worked and one of the other players at the table took my hand out of the muck and flipped it over for everyone to see. He then claimed that he thought that everybody has to see mucked hands. Of course, this was an obvious angle shoot since he didn't point it out until my hand.

I didn't quite go berserk. Regardless, I won the tournament and busted the angle shooter in the process.

As for your situation, I don't call the floor. No more tips from me though.

[AKQJ10]

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Yes, I know the letter of the law is that Player D should hand the cards to the dealer, and let HIM turn them up. But in this case, what's the freaking difference?

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I'm the resident SOSA nit here (getting much better, thank you) and I don't think I've ever heard that the player is allowed to grab another player's cards to hand them to the dealer. AFAIK there's no good reason to touch another player's cards. Even requests like "fold me if I don't come back from the bathroom in time" make me uncomfortable.

I would say that most dealers are really bad about enforcing SOSA though. I saw a guy at the Horseshoe Tunica this week say, in a clear audible voice, "I'd like to see your hand," at a time when he was entitled to. Dealer mucked it all, claimed not to have heard it. Grrr.

(Which brough up an interesting point -- does that revive the mucked hand a la IWTSTH? I would imagine not -- SOSA is not an annoying IWTSTH request, so shouldn't be penalized as such. But the dealer said it would revive the mucked hand.)

[ShaneP]

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You freaking nits! All of you.

Yes, I know the letter of the law is that Player D should hand the cards to the dealer, and let HIM turn them up. But in this case, what's the freaking difference?

Anyone who complains about this is someone who just looks for things to complain about. No harm, no damage, no threat, no possibility of trouble...but it's a chance to bitch about something, so we should all scream about it.

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YTF (and all),

It's kind of interesting this thread is going on at the same time in Home poker:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...=0#Post11563004

(I hope that autolinks, this is the first time I've tried it.) If one gets too zealous with this, there seems some possibility of trouble. I'd guess it's proportional to the number of drinks imbibed, however.

Shane