How bad did I play? 2 unrelated hands

Rubin · #1 06-11-2007, 06:41 AM

No particular question. Posting because of possible multiple mistakes. In hand 1 , villian is something like 18/8 over 40 hands . In Hand 2 Villian had just sat down and raised his first 3 of 6 hands. Hand 2 is really hard for me to evaluate.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t100/t200
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t4000
UTG+1: t12900
MP1: t9125
MP2: t11212
Hero: t10475
CO: t9350
Button: t8688
SB: t14650
BB: t9600

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls t200 (pot was t300), 2 folds, MP2 raises to t800, Hero calls t800 (pot was t1300), 4 folds, UTG calls t600 (pot was t2100).

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t2700, 3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 bets t800, Hero raises to t2000, UTG folds, MP2 calls t1200 (pot was t5500).

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t6700, 2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t2000, MP2 calls t2000 (pot was t8700).

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t10700, 2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero is all-in t5675, MP2 folds.
Uncalled bets: t5675 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: t10700

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t300/t600
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t13100
UTG+1: t31400
MP1: t8675
MP2: t15150
MP3: t17125
CO: t15150
Button: t24030
Hero: t12225
BB: t29050

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
6 folds, Button raises to t1800, Hero raises to t4200, BB folds, Button calls t2400 (pot was t6600).

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t9000, 2 players)
Hero bets t3600, Button raises all-in t19830, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: t16230 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: t16200

Rocco · #2 06-11-2007, 06:53 AM

Hand 1: Re-raise pre-flop and the rest of the hand plays itself. As played, you did fine.

Hand 2: Not good. This is push or fold. Being out of position after having invested 1/3 of your stack pre-flop sucks.

PJM1206 · #3 06-11-2007, 07:17 AM

I am new palying NL and tournament poker so with that in mind I have to ask why the all-in on the river?? Given the villan is a tight player what hands do you think he riases with pre-flop and calls the flop and turn with? I think he only calls with hands that beat you. Thus I check the river?

coatsie · #4 06-11-2007, 07:21 AM

hand 1: i rr to 2500

as played on the flop i cr to 2500. which will v likely give ya a free card. i raise to 3500 on the turn leaving irresistable odds on the river.

hand 2:

a read on villains opening from late position would be awsome. against typical opponents i push as a resteal.

coatsie · #5 06-11-2007, 07:39 AM

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I am new palying NL and tournament poker so with that in mind I have to ask why the all-in on the river?? Given the villan is a tight player what hands do you think he riases with pre-flop and calls the flop and turn with? I think he only calls with hands that beat you. Thus I check the river?

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what hands do you think he raises pf with? a hand with a 3, 8, 5? all unlikely

i give villain a range of 88+, AT+, KQ

hands that beat you in that range 88, QQ
hands you beat in that range 99, TT, JJ, KK, AA, AT, AJ, AQ, AK, KQ

errr...push it in

RyanUSF · #6 06-11-2007, 08:12 AM

I don't mind hand 1, I'd probably re-raise to 2k preflop but sometimes I don't, depends on how tight I've been recently.

You can't play hand 2 the way you did though, you have to push or fold. Pushing results in him having to make a decision to play a hand for half of his stack, and given his likely hand range for opening where he is you are probably ahead. You cannot however, re-raise for 1/3 of your stack OOP when the blinds are where they are.

the emmitt · #7 06-11-2007, 09:30 AM

Hand 2:

Two options I think:

1) Push all-in, as suggested by other posters. In most cases an Ace with a dubious kicker will fold. KQ may fold. You can race with pairs from TT downwards. So you are only really afraid of AA-JJ plus AK.

2) [depends on your image vs Villain's style]. Flat call and check-raise all in. In this case you may only get called by AJ-AK plus AA. Pocket pairs lower than AA may fold.

JoeyJoJo Shabadu · #8 06-11-2007, 09:40 AM

The number of times you run into 88 or QQ does not equal the number of times someone calls with an overpair or a bad diamond because they feel pot committed. I shove...

flick23 · #9 06-11-2007, 03:40 PM

The first hand seems pretty trivial except for maybe a reraise on the flop. I'd like to see a bit of a bigger raise on the flop, but other than that, the hand played itself.

On the second hand, unless you are making a move, you are seriously overvaluing KJo- it might warrant a call at most, but certainly not a reraise. I think a continuation bet is necessary in this spot (especially if he called with some middle pair, TT, QQ, etc. and is scared off by the ace) so that's fine, and you of course have to fold to the all in

bigentx · #10 06-11-2007, 04:21 PM

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On the second hand, unless you are making a move, you are seriously overvaluing KJo- it might warrant a call at most, but certainly not a reraise. I think a continuation bet is necessary in this spot (especially if he called with some middle pair, TT, QQ, etc. and is scared off by the ace) so that's fine, and you of course have to fold to the all in

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He wasnt raising KJ for value here, this was a resteal. I probably just push preflop, but I dont mind your raise here. On the flop you gotta stick the rest in. Bet/fold is the worst line you can take here.

And Hand 1 looks fine, except I bet more like 3500-4000 on the turn to price him in.