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#1
02-19-2006, 07:56 PM
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Limping ATo UTG and dealing with a button raise
Villain on the button is quite loose and only somewhat passive. His PFR is about 12.
- What do you say about the preflop limp? - What's the plan after this? - What would you have done if BB had called? (Assume he's an unknown.) Paradise Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, Hero calls. Flop: (6.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises...</font> 
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#2
02-19-2006, 08:06 PM
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Re: Limping ATo UTG and dealing with a button raise
I like the play. More of the time here he has two overs, and a percentage of the time he has overs, you have the best hand. I think the question is what to do when called, I think you have enough folding equity here to make this play.
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#3
02-19-2006, 08:10 PM
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Re: Limping ATo UTG and dealing with a button raise
I don't like the limping. You have a hand that plays poor multiway, and with a raise at least you can just take the blinds or at least get it heads-up (with one of the blinds would be perfect). Depending on tableread I'd just fold ATo in UTG, but ATs is another story.
Buttons raise doesn't really have to mean a lot, if he's a decent player he could just be trying to isolate. I think I like the flop checkraise, since the flop is likely to have missed him, and your play so far is consistant with a pocketpair that might have flopped a set. If only BB had called, I'd basically put him on any two and take it from there.
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#4
02-19-2006, 08:13 PM
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Re: Limping ATo UTG and dealing with a button raise
Donīt like to limp with ATo from any position really. I often throw it away UTG. Since itīs only 8 handed I consider raising.
I like the play on the flop. Good chance u are ahead but this way u get to see what BB does. If he calls I think fold is good. Since he folds u should not. Button could easily have any two face-cards. If 3-bet I would take the turn. After that u will have to feel what to do. Here is a basic line: If itīs above 9 bet and fold to a raise if (K,Q,J) and re-raise if (T) and call down if (A). If blank call down. The >9 is scary for him and it would be difficult for him to raise as a pure bluff. If turn is blank he knows u probably havenīt improved in wich case he is much more likely to bluff. How do u like this? (I hardly know myself [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )
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#5
02-19-2006, 08:14 PM
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Re: Limping ATo UTG and dealing with a button raise
I don't know how to respond to your questions, but I think we got ourselves into a heap of trouble here by limping ATo, and I'm not sure a c/r is going to solve this problem. Hmm, maybe 8-handed, we could probably raise ATo UTG.
[ QUOTE ] somewhat passive. His PFR is about 12. [/ QUOTE ] um, he seems aggressive. If he's loose, he's not going away for a c/r on this flop. Our problem is, he calls and we lead just about any turn--a loose player is not going away, so we c/f the river UI.
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#6
02-19-2006, 08:18 PM
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Re: Limping ATo UTG and dealing with a button raise
What would be the best game conditions for a raise with ATo? A loose game or a tight? Passive I guess? Isnīt one very good thing about limping? U will meet smaller aces on the flop. If u raise only a bigger ace will come. What do u think about that?
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#7
02-19-2006, 08:21 PM
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Re: Limping ATo UTG and dealing with a button raise
I generally fold ATo UTG--i suggested raising with 8 players.
I think you can limp UTG in a very loose passive game, because a lot of other players will be playing weaker aces, and you can get in for cheap.
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#8
02-19-2006, 08:23 PM
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Re: Limping ATo UTG and dealing with a button raise
[ QUOTE ]
- What do you say about the preflop limp? [/ QUOTE ] How does the rest of the table play? If it's a somewhat fast game, I am inclined to fold this hand pf as I don't want to be caught out of position with several players left to act. If it is passive, I am inclined to see the flop for a bet. [ QUOTE ] - What's the plan after this? [/ QUOTE ] I'm not good enough to make this move. Being that the pot is small, I don't want to get into a pissing match over a small pot. I typically would check and fold this or just check call to see if I improve on the turn. If not I dump. Going for the C/R here doesn't seem to do much for us. It's highly doubtful the Villian folds and you're still out of position in the hand. [ QUOTE ] - What would you have done if BB had called? (Assume he's an unknown.) [/ QUOTE ] I would probably play the same as above.
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#9
02-19-2006, 08:24 PM
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Re: Limping ATo UTG and dealing with a button raise
Sounds reasonable. Like it.
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#10
02-19-2006, 08:43 PM
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Re: Limping ATo UTG and dealing with a button raise
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] somewhat passive. His PFR is about 12. [/ QUOTE ] um, he seems aggressive. If he's loose, he's not going away for a c/r on this flop. Our problem is, he calls and we lead just about any turn--a loose player is not going away, so we c/f the river UI. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry - his postflop play is somewhat passive. He bets and raises, but doesn't seem to do anything out of line.
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