66 hand from Stars $320

[nath]

OK, I've been a little active but not crazily so. I was going to post the hand in stages because I think both PF and flop are interesting, but Steve is tired of that, so I won't. Besides, I think the flop decision is more interesting anyway so let's get right to it.

Maybe it's more clear cut to some of you but I don't necessarily see a big stack donkbet as a sign of anything major. Yet. But how should i proceed? (And again, PF-- should I even be playing the hand?)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

<font color="#C00000">Hero (t9941)</font>
MP1 (t13127)
MP2 (t8206)
MP3 (t12178)
CO (t11075)
Button (t7362)
SB (t7685)
BB (t28045)
UTG (t15259)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1025</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t1025, MP3 calls t1025, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls t625.

Flop: (t3860) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t1400</font>, Hero?

[stevepa]

I tend to raise pf at most tables, although I think it's a leak at ones where there's a lot of calling/3betting. On the flop I think just folding is best. Your stack is incredibly awkward for raising and there are two people still to act. Maybe too weak, I don't know.

Steve

P.S. The stages thing it just seemed like every hand was being posted like that...there was even one that started with you having AA and it's folded to you on the button...!?!?

[nath]

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P.S. The stages thing it just seemed like every hand was being posted like that...there was even one that started with you having AA and it's folded to you on the button...!?!?

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Haha, I didn't see that one. I have seen a few hands lately that seem to be in stages unnecessarily. Here I wanted to discuss both streets, but PF is such a simple question that I'd rather get to the dynamics of the flop decision.

[grafyx]

I usually fold 66 pre with &lt; 30bb stack in this position.

If it were HU, I wouldn't be worried either. But he's donking into 3 players and we have to act before the other 2. I think calling looks too weak. Raising will look strong, but it's basically a bluff and will probably commit you to the pot if you try it since you need to make it like 5k to go. So, I fold [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[0evg0]

pf is close but good
flop is a fold

[NickdaNutz]

hmm.

I usually pump it up in this situation and make it 3750-4000
flop action looks like weak 9 or draw...raise will make BB fold their 9 but you may get action from draw. You might also get other callers off of TT, T9, A9, 77, 88.

that being said I agree that your stack is awkward and there are 2 more players to act.

I could go either way on this one....but im not a huge nit [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] so Im raising.

any results?

[NHFunkii]

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I tend to raise pf at most tables, although I think it's a leak at ones where there's a lot of calling/3betting. On the flop I think just folding is best.

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don't think the flop is particularly close though.

[NoahSD]

Yeah.. preflop is fine and kinda depends on the table. I basically just consider it a glorified steal from EP, so I raise here at about the same type of table that I raise any twoish from the BU with the same stacks.

Flop is just a fold [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. Really not close, IMHO.

[NickdaNutz]

So basically we are looking to steal the blinds or flop a set?

If we are going to nit up and fold here (yes I know there are 2 others in the pot) to the BBs weak lead then I like a fold pre-flop from UTG+1 with your stack.

[NHFunkii]

you did notice that there were 3 callers, right? We're looking to steal blinds, flop a set, or win the pot with a cbet, mostly.