I'm paranoid that I'm folding too much

[n0ctu2ne]

No good reads. Villain has taken a few shots at stealing blinds, but no other information. I c-bet the flop hopiing to take it there, but not sure what to do when a non-helping turn comes.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.2SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3.1BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 bets</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to MP2.

[Buzz-cp]

I fire again on the turn.

[Point Blank]

even though MP2 is a poster there are a lot of hands that can be calling that flop ...

since the pot is small check folding isn't bad ... but leading out is also pretty much close to standard

[00Snitch]

I bet/fold and get paranoind that I am folding to much but use the small pot to make me feel better.

[kaby]

This is between c/f and b/f for me, I usually b/f here but I think I should c/f more in a pot this tiny.

c/c sucks hard without a good read imho, and b/f ... meh pot is tiny, villain can have a lot of hands but basicly every hand he called the flop with he's gonna call the turn and then are what you gonna do when any non AK river hits? b/f again? c/c?


With 1.5-2 more BB in the pot and it becomes more interesting imho

[00Snitch]

I normally go like this:

bet/call the flop
bet/fold the turn
check/call the river if a non-draw card comes in.

Yes. I'm a fish.

However, it is important that you never, ever lead this river UI. If you bet the turn and get called, there is no point at all in betting the river UI. You will never, ever get called by a worse hand. At least if you check/call, occasionally you will catch a worse hand.

Determining (through reads/stats/tells) weather or not you will catch a worse hand the required (in this case) 15% of the time, will go a long way to making you a winning or losing player IMO.

[00Snitch]

I would like to add:

My last point could be wrong. The fact that this pot will always be quite small could infact indicate that check-calling this river will at worst be a small mistake. However, I do feel that this situation comes up frequently, so I could be right.

Wow, I ramble a lot.

[lautzutao]

On this turn, while frightening that villian called, he could be doing so w/ a lot of hands that you're ahead of. There is a flush draw and straight draw on the board, he could be calling hoping to catch his card. You really don't want to give him a free card in these instances, so I would personally bet simply because I'm good here more than 25% of the time.

Then again, betting and getting raised puts you in a very awkward position, and it's the reason that position is so important in hold'em.

So to make a long story short, I bet/fold more than likely here.

[kaby]

bet/fold the turn

Why are we betting the turn? Value - are we ahead 50% of the time? If not for value then why? Do we fold a lot of hands that call the flop?

I don't think the rare occasion where you c/c a non heart non obvious straight river and win (what hands do you win again that bet the river btw? Ahxh yeah, and what else?) make up for every time you bet a BB on the turn when drawing to 6 outs, checkfolding possibly the best hand on the river, or just getting drawn out on? The worst hand he has on the flop that we beat is like T7o, which has a lot of outs.

Maybe I'm weaktight here but why are we getting ourselves in this spot OOP with AK high vs a loose passive villain (like the average .25/.50 player)? I just don't see the +ev. If you put villain on any two cards above 7 they all have a lot of outs, you are only calling non-draw completing rivers, and you are basicly counting on the extra BB when villain bets his missed draw - which I don't think is standard for a .25/.50 LAP. On top of that we are often already behind here, and a bet on the turn will never fold out a pair.

No, without good reads to assume this is not your average .25/.50 players I don't see why I should be b/f'ing and c/c'ing some rivers instead of c/f the turn. Please berate and educate me when I should do it in pots this size.

[bozlax]

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Why are we betting the turn? Value - are we ahead 50% of the time? If not for value then why? Do we fold a lot of hands that call the flop?

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You only have to be ahead &gt; 50% of the time you're called for it to be for value. It's a semi-bluff.

Villan posted in MP2, which is a general indicator that he's not very good. Such a player will frequently peel most flops with almost anything. (How's &lt;- that for a conditional?) When you fire again on the turn he says, "Oh, you're serious?" and folds.

Basically you're in a blind-battle with a pillowcase full of marshmallows.