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Old 04-15-2007, 08:21 AM
Fiksdal Fiksdal is offline
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Default Villain has already donated some money to me...

Villain is my favorite fish, I love him. The reason I am at the table. Stacks off very light. Slowplays monsters, but loves suicide bluffs. Running 48/23/3.l7 over 429 hands. River agression 3.86. He's always at least 300bbs when he's at the table, because he keeps gambling until he has that stack. I doubled up against him on one of the first hands when I pushed AA over his 10bbs raise preflop.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.05/$0.10 Blinds
4 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter

SB: $36.25
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $17.70</font>
UTG: $12.60
BTN: $9.35

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 3 J (4 Players)
UTG calls $0.10, BTN folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($0.30) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 8 (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.35</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1</font>, UTG folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $3</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, SB calls $4

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($14.30) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks

The reason for the small bets is because he always thinks I am just playing back at him when I do those, and that is a great way to build a pot against him IMO.

What is the best way to try and get him to donate the rest?
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Old 04-15-2007, 08:35 AM
molotom molotom is offline
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Default Re: Villain has already donated some money to me...

Your hand is ridiculously strong, and he sounds like a total tard, so you don't have to worry about balancing your play or making properly sized raises. You want to get another $10 in and it comes down to his tendencies as a player.

You need to bet here. I would consider a minbet or something if he is likely to raise (given earlier streets + your description), depends on how well you know him. If he just calls such a bet he is probably done with hand.

I think the most straightforward play here is to bet around $4.50, it gives him 5:1, he's likely to shove over the top, and if he calls, you can shove the remaining $6 on the river still giving him 5:1.
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Old 04-15-2007, 09:31 AM
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Default Re: Villain has already donated some money to me...

Yeah, I like a bet of 5 on both the turn and the river (but I also raise the flop higher, to around 9)
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Old 04-15-2007, 10:07 AM
Check_The_Nuts Check_The_Nuts is offline
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Default Re: Villain has already donated some money to me...

thac hero only has a ~PSB left (well less than that I think).


This is definitely a check IMO. Mostly due to your "likes to make suicide bluffs" comment. Shoving this river with a busted flush draw definitely qualifies as suicide bluff.
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Old 04-15-2007, 10:19 AM
thac thac is offline
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Yeah but villains are more apt to call small bets than they are big bets and it baits them right in. I do agree that checking is "ok" but he's not folding if we bet so we may as well bet and hope he shoves.
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Old 04-15-2007, 10:27 AM
Spanky1974 Spanky1974 is offline
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Default Re: Villain has already donated some money to me...

At first I thought to check behind, and raise his river bet. That would probably work, but I like a smallish bet here ($4-5). Push the river.
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Old 04-15-2007, 10:35 AM
Kimo White Devil Kimo White Devil is offline
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based on your read and his rvier aggression and you having position, If he ahs the case 8 or hits anything on the river, let him put the money in. i check turn/ and RAI on river. You have more history on him than us but if youre sure he bets rivers like a mofo go aheadand make him play his hand badly, dont let him make a good turn fold.
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Old 04-15-2007, 10:43 AM
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I like to bet 1/3 of the pot in these spots. If he is a huge donk, he might still call with a weak hand, but if he likes his hand, he might reraise. Even if he reraises to $10, he's pot committed and you can shove.
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Old 04-15-2007, 10:43 AM
sputniks sputniks is offline
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if youre sure he bets rivers like a mofo go aheadand make him play his hand badly, dont let him make a good turn fold.

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Let him improve or take a stab on the river.
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Old 04-15-2007, 10:47 AM
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Go like 4 on the turn, 6 on the river. No one ever folds houses and especially not this guy, so I wouldn't be too worried about him folding on the turn. If you check the turn you do give him the chance to improve but he now has to call a 5/7 pot bet instead of a 2/7 pot turn and a 3/11 pot river.
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