AJo turning 2pr and hating it...

fretelöo · #1 03-31-2007, 02:28 PM

Villain has reasonable stats. He's doing his share of blindstealing but isn't that terribly aggressive postflop, resulting in 23/14/1.1 stats.
He definitely hasn't done anything to make me think bad of him; also I haven't really tangled with him yet. So I have generic reads, based on his stats, at best.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero raises, 7 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero ???

I didn't think all too hard about the flop call as he'll be c-betting whatever he's choosing to 3bet pf with and I do have some backdoors along with my 5outer.

However, once I got to the turn and didn't really feel like raising my 2pr, I figured something must have gone wrong...

This is a Hero-prays-and-goes-to-showdown-cheaply call, no? Or is there any ever so slight edge in raising? Should, by any chance, think about folding?

bennyhana · #2 03-31-2007, 02:46 PM

don't fold.

call and bet river if checked to. You have the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] so it is unlikely he is 3 betting preflop and betting the flop and turn with a flush draw. I would be fearing AK if he is that straight foreward of a player.

22pajo · #3 03-31-2007, 03:13 PM

Any idea what his 3betting preflop range is?
I really want to raise this turn with 2 pair and position.

Thomas Newton · #4 03-31-2007, 03:52 PM

I'm agreeing with bennyhana regarding the flush draw. Very unlikely. I'm also agreeing that its too good to throw away.

How do you think he sees you? From your comments he's awake so he knows you're UTG and the implications of that.

I call it down hoping he has AQ, KQ, KJ or AT type of thing and not KK, AK or pocket Aces. Bet if he checks the river ala benny.

fretelöo · #5 03-31-2007, 04:06 PM

He def. hasn't KQs or KJs and I higly doubt ATs - esp. IF he's paying attention to what a EP-raise means.

Just about the only thing I'm beating is AQ and QQ...

Mustafa · #6 03-31-2007, 04:13 PM

I am not being sarcastic here.

Why do you bother calling the flop if you don't like an ace on the turn?? What turns make you happy getting 5.5:1 on the flop call?

Ampelmann · #7 03-31-2007, 05:13 PM

I see no reason to call the flop when you fold the turn. Call down.

Entity · #8 03-31-2007, 05:36 PM

The turn changed nothing (you beat QQ now, but can't expect a lot of bets to be going in ahead if you raise here), but I'd probably fold the flop.

OziBattler · #9 03-31-2007, 06:27 PM

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This is a Hero-prays-and-goes-to-showdown-cheaply call, no? Or is there any ever so slight edge in raising? Should, by any chance, think about folding?

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I like calling down. this guy isnt aggro but he will still likely punish you with monsters and shutdown with everything else. I never fold this.

Second Toughest · #10 03-31-2007, 08:14 PM

For the record you also beat TT.

Personally I'm not convinced by the pre-flop play. I'd question the open raise, and then the call. I think that this is were the trouble started. Flop and turn basically hit your hand. You should have either never seen the flop, or now take it all the way.

(but I only play .25/.50 badly, so don't take my criticism too harshly)