Big hand in the sunday millions on stars

[Eman6969]

POKERSTARS GAME #8853007303: TOURNAMENT #44218549, $200+$15 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL I (25/50) - 2007/03/11 - 16:37:16 (ET)
Table '44218549 1080' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: eqasr (10025 in chips)
Seat 2: RustyJay (10250 in chips)
Seat 3: simonash (9925 in chips)
Seat 4: WpEoEkDer (9775 in chips)
Seat 5: dvdvd (9025 in chips)
Seat 6: XxKHVxX (10100 in chips)
Seat 7: jakesomethin (9900 in chips)
Seat 8: dbslim (10675 in chips)
Seat 9: Neab (10325 in chips)
Neab: posts small blind 25
eqasr: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to eqasr [9h 6h]
RustyJay: calls 50
simonash: folds
WpEoEkDer: folds
dvdvd: folds
XxKHVxX: folds
jakesomethin: folds
dbslim: folds
Neab: calls 25
eqasr: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jd Kh 8h]
Neab: checks
eqasr: checks
RustyJay: bets 50
Neab: calls 50
eqasr: calls 50
*** TURN *** [Jd Kh 8h] [2h]
Neab: checks
eqasr: checks
RustyJay: bets 200
Neab: calls 200
eqasr: raises 400 to 600
RustyJay: calls 400
Neab: raises 9625 to 10225 and is all-in
eqasr: folds
RustyJay: folds
eqasr said, "had a flush"
Neab collected 2100 from pot
Neab: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2100 | Rake 0
Board [Jd Kh 8h 2h]
Seat 1: eqasr (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: RustyJay folded on the Turn
Seat 3: simonash folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: WpEoEkDer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dvdvd folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: XxKHVxX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: jakesomethin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: dbslim (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Neab (small blind) collected (2100)

[potamophobia]

Well I am no expert, but I really dont like your play in this hand.

First we have an EP limper who only gets the SB and BB as callers. The flop is very dangerous/drawy and he only min bets. Very weird bet here, that is probably not a very big hand. You call with your heart draw. I am fine with this.

Now the turn comes a heart. SB checks.. you MUST bet this in my opinion. There is absolutely no guarantee that EP is going to bet this card. If he checks behind it is a complete disaster.

You get a little lucky and EP bets. Now the SB cold calls. Time for you to raise it up big and spring the trap. Instead you only raise 400 more, which I absolutely hate. Now people are going to call with basically any heart in their hand.

EP calls and SB pushes. I believe SB can ONLY have the nut flush if he has a flush here. This means he limped in the SB with Ax [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. You need to determine if this player is passive enough to do this. If he has anything less than the nut flush he must raise to protect his made flush on the turn as EP could easily have the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Youve played this hand pretty strangely for someone with your holding so it is more difficult to put people on hands. I think I am calling this because the chances he has exactly the nut flush are rather slim and we dont think he would make this move with a flush like T7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Also, would he really grossly over bet this with the stone cold nuts? I say no. He may have some other big hand that isnt a flush, and doesnt believe you have the flush. He is worried about a lone [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] calling him so he just goes all in.

The more I think about it, the more I am calling this overbet.

[4CardStraight]

I also think you got outplayed. I think by someone with the ace of hearts and a second card that paired the board.

If they see all this passivity and check raising and whatnot, I think they have a decent guess that you are either on a low flush or trying to represent the nut flush, and they know you dont have it, since they have the ace of hearts.

Even if you ARE on an oddly played low flush, the odds of you calling arent that great, and even if you do call, they still have redraw outs to the nuts anyway.


Just my thinking

[potamophobia]

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If they see all this passivity and check raising and whatnot, I think they have a decent guess that you are either on a low flush or trying to represent the nut flush, and they know you dont have it, since they have the ace of hearts.


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Very good point here. Heros line does not suggest anything other than the nut flush either. If someone has the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] they know you dont have what you are representing.

[Eman6969]

I assume you guys dont play many big buyin tourneys....Wheres the big name players like riverloser and gank its the reason i came here but no i get potamophobia and 4 card straight answering my posts..just great




jk obv

[4CardStraight]

I see the dis and the just kidding.

Ha ha. Im already registered for this sunday, boom snap one of my first double shootouts of the week. Im all balla and shiznit.

(ok i suck and i know it, but im here working on my game like everyone else, and greg raymers too busy to personally reply to everyone with 4 posts.)

4Card.

[registrar]

This hand does suck though.

[RustyJay]

Yeah, I remember that hand, just not what I had. But do remember I agrred w/ your muck given that all-in.
-RJ

[registrar]

This is never a fold in the Million. There are only four bigger hearts and we have to believe that villain has two hearts and one bigger and plays like this with that hand in addition to not raising pf from SB. I really, really really dount this villain pushes a bigger flush. It's a really bad fold.

[Mingdu]

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I really, really really doubt this villain pushes a bigger flush. It's a really bad fold.

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