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Old 03-10-2007, 02:50 AM
Cavok Cavok is offline
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Default QQ raised on paired board

Some comments on my flop and turn play pls. I'm trying to boost my aggression a little bit but is this flop/turn the place to do it?
This is the second hand I play at the table after 20 rounds or so so my image is tight.
Have read of about 100+ hands on the others
Button 59/3/.8
SB 26/11/4
UTG+1 36/7/1

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Pre-flop: (6 players) Cavok is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Cavok raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">SB 3-bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Cavok caps</font>, Button calls, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (17SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Cavok raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, 2 folds, Cavok calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (12.5BB, 2 players)
Cavok checks, Button checks.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (12.5BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Cavok bets</font>, Button calls.

Results:
Final pot: 14.5BB
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Old 03-10-2007, 05:18 AM
Oink Oink is offline
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Default Re: QQ raised on paired board

I prolly wuss out as well when button wakes up with the 3-bet on that flop. Though .8 AF isnt that passive when vpip is 50.

When he checks the turn I am confused, but I would guess he has lower PP's or 3x a lot so the river bet looks good.
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Old 03-10-2007, 06:04 AM
Apanage Apanage is offline
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Default Re: QQ raised on paired board

The river bet is alright.
If I didnīt play against complete idiots (as they really turned out to be)I just call down from the point where SB bets and UTG+1 calls flop.
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Old 03-10-2007, 06:25 AM
Cavok Cavok is offline
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Default Re: QQ raised on paired board

I think just calling down from the flop is a little to weak after a bet and a call, but I would definetly fold if it was capped back to me and I didn't improve on the turn.

How do you handle a raise on the river? When I look back at the hand the only reasonable hands that the button can 3-bet on the flop that we still beat is JJ and AK. Any Ten or 3 beats us.
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Old 03-10-2007, 06:57 AM
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Default Re: QQ raised on paired board

I think I would have checked behind the river here, but other wise played the same.
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Old 03-10-2007, 07:01 AM
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Default Re: QQ raised on paired board

Button wasn't a preflop raiser so there's no reason to think that he doesn't have a Ten. Of course you can't fold and the safest play to make is c/c down.
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Old 03-10-2007, 07:49 AM
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Default Re: QQ raised on paired board

I agree that against these players it is weak as it turned out to be.
But why does SB bet out after you capped and two other players cold called two bets and why does UTG+1 call a completely drawless flop after this preflop action?
Before I know the answers of that I just call down.
The flop is quit good for us if we are ahead.We are just concerned about overcards to come. The players that has acted before us most likely hands (if they not have an overpair or a T)are pocket pairs that might fold if we raise.
Also button may call with one overcard if you not raise getting you more money in the pot from a bad player.


I call a raise on the river against a player with those stats. Sure he can have a 3. But his play on turn is odd enough to call down a raise.
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