KQs 1/2 Stars: thin call?

Goodnews · #1 03-03-2007, 08:08 AM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: (6 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, MP2 folds, Hero ???

I really want to call here. I think I should have raised the flop for a free card, but villain was somewhat aggro. Thoughts on flop play? What would you do on the turn?

fretelÃ¶o · #2 03-03-2007, 08:47 AM

Call. OCs + GS = 7 outs. If you feel he might just be betting a draw himself, what do you think of a raise for a free SD?

Goodnews · #3 03-03-2007, 08:55 AM

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Call. OCs + GS = 7 outs. If you feel he might just be betting a draw himself, what do you think of a raise for a free SD?

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Speaking of the free SD play, what is the difference between c/c the turn and river? Is the value all in the fold equity since a turn raise is respected? How do you know you are not going to be taken to 3-town and a bet on the river? I guess it doesn't matter if you get 3-bet on the turn you are beat anyways, but what if you have a draw that you now have the odds to call?

Mustafa · #4 03-03-2007, 09:11 AM

Easy call.

I don't like a turn raise. Villian donked into us on the flop, so I can't see him dropping on the turn. He's more likely to 3-bet us on the turn than on the river when one of our outs comes.

Riku · #5 03-03-2007, 10:26 AM

I call.

Ricks · #6 03-03-2007, 01:49 PM

A free showdown raise should not be made unless you have a hand that has a reasonable chance of winning unimproved. I don't think that king high qualifies.

Guitierez · #7 03-03-2007, 02:48 PM

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OCs + GS = 7 outs.

Why 7 outs? GS is 4, OCs 6 again. As played preflop there wont be QQ+. So you definately have the odds to call.

Goodnews · #8 03-03-2007, 02:53 PM

it takes into account the possibility of being reverse dominated (hitting your overcard and still losing)

Riku · #9 03-03-2007, 02:53 PM

Because sometimes you lose to 2 pairs, sets and bunch of other stuff, so you can´t value the oc to full 6 outs. A good rule of thumb is that they are worth 3 outs, sometimes even less, depending on the situation.

CrMenace · #10 03-03-2007, 03:08 PM

*grunch*

Flop call is good getting 11:1 with a GSSD and two overs. Call the turn for the same reason.