Should I have raised???

[Thundercat32]

With 3-way action and this flop, I'm really beginning to question whether my raise was the right play here. The only hand I'm behind is 99 or A-9 and there's not flush or straight draw to worry about. With both players betting I think a call might of been better. I guess if one of them had called my raise and I won than I wouldn't be saying that.

What's the right thing to do here, call or raise, if you raise how much? What's the plan on 4th street whether you call or raise???

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+1 ($156.85)
MP1 ($89.05)
MP2 ($33.80)
CO ($240.45)
Button :#A500AF(Villian 2)/ ($78.70)
SB :#A500AF(Villian 1)/ ($92.80)
BB ($98)
Hero ($42.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button :#A500AF(Villian 2)/ calls $3, SB :#A500AF(Villian 1)/ calls $2.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($10) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Villian 1 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Villian 2 bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villian 1 raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, Villian 2 folds, Villian 1 folds.

[Thundercat32]

Also I had problems with Bisonbison's hand converter on this one, kept wanting to say I only reraised to $12, but I raised $12 to $20, anyone else having trouble with it lately?

[bitter&twisted]

Yes many problems with Bison's lately.

[Thundercat32]

anybody have an opinion on this hand?

[EMc]

Frankly surprized you didnt get paid there. I dont mind it one bit. Nice hand.

[Thundercat32]

thanks EM, I was kinda surprised too, I mean they bet with the two Aces out there, but now I'm thinking maybe a call might of been better.

I guess it's up for debate

[p-i]

I get greedy and call Villain1 hoping that Villain2 calls. On the turn I C/R all-in. If Villain2 came along that would be ~$30 into a ~$34 pot and they both might call. If he doesn't, it's ~$30 into $26 which isn't that much of an overbet for Villain1 to call.

[Dan Bitel]

EMC,

You like line?? why??

Thundercat,

I dislike it. Firstly, Raise to $4 or $5 with AK UTG. secondly, why the hell did you check that flop? If I'm checking that flop, its certainly NOT to C/R. Put yourself in villains shoes: The PFR checks the flop when there's two aces there, so you bet and then he C/R...what hand would you put him on?? Surely your line get the LEAST possible money from a weaker ace.

Your other options on this flop are to lead or check/call. I prefer the lead, because in a way it looks like you DON'T have an ace. Sure, this might make all villains fold, but you're not winning a big pot here unless an opponent has an ace anyway. The check/call line is ok, but I don't think is maximises value from a worse ace. So:

flop lead &gt; check/call &gt;&gt; check/raise

[EMc]

Ok, so again, I lack reading ability, hence I thought the post said Hero bets 4.

I thought hero lead and then fired when raised. When I was refering to the line I was more talking about the merit of bombing that flop than smooth calling there.

We dont play limit, hence the check raise pretty much I feel should be relgated to a bluff. However, the merits are as shown that a villian can bet and raise on a bluff to get a pot with a hand.

[Dan Bitel]

EMC,

OK, at least you agree that leading is better than C/R, but why do you think C/R is better than C/C? Surely a big C/R from the PFR is just going to scare out villain?