Latest HPV vaccine info (little girl forced vaccine)

[PLOlover]

Heard on talk radio by head of some group -

Vaccine only works on 4 strains of HPV, I would guess the main and majority strains.

However, there are over 100 strains of HPV.

Also mentioned that while the 4 strains may be the most common in Texas or America, this may not necessarily be the case in say, Mexico.

Interesting.

Just decided to post this to show it is not a black and white issue.

[Phil153]

Do you have a link to the story?

While I think the anti vaccination people are dangerous kooks, I also don't think anyone should be forced to have vaccinations for minor problems like herpes. I can definitely see drug company in a corrupt country like the US pushing unnecessary and/or ineffective vaccines.

[PLOlover]

I heard it on the Alex Jones radio show, he might have a story about it on infowars.com

[PLOlover]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/17/he...mp;oref=slogin


Gardasil protects against two strains of H.P.V. that cause about 70 percent of the cases of cervical cancer as well as two other strains that cause genital warts. In approving the vaccine last June, the Food and Drug Administration said that in the United States each year there were an average of 9,710 new cases of cervical cancer and 3,700 deaths attributed to it.

[vhawk01]

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Do you have a link to the story?

While I think the anti vaccination people are dangerous kooks, I also don't think anyone should be forced to have vaccinations for minor problems like herpes. I can definitely see drug company in a corrupt country like the US pushing unnecessary and/or ineffective vaccines.

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I dont know if this was a mistake or if you meant to be talking about something else, but HPV>>>>>>herpes.

[PLOlover]

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I dont know if this was a mistake or if you meant to be talking about something else, but HPV>>>>>>herpes.

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The interesting thing is that you make the point here. Herpes would be way worse than HPV, except for the fact that HPV can cause cancer in women.

Now, here is the point! The vaccine will not prevent cancer causing HPV, because it only works (supposedly) on about 4% of the strains of HPV!

Also the 4 strains are about 70% of the HPV right now according to the article, but if everyone was vaccinated then it's realistic to think that the other strains would just gain the niche.

[vhawk01]

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I dont know if this was a mistake or if you meant to be talking about something else, but HPV>>>>>>herpes.

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The interesting thing is that you make the point here. Herpes would be way worse than HPV, except for the fact that HPV can cause cancer in women.

Now, here is the point! The vaccine will not prevent cancer causing HPV, because it only works (supposedly) on about 4% of the strains of HPV!

Also the 4 strains are about 70% of the HPV right now according to the article, but if everyone was vaccinated then it's realistic to think that the other strains would just gain the niche.

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I don't get it. Herpes would be worse except for the horrible fatal cancer that HPV causes? Yeah, of course. Dandruff would be worse than ebola except for the violent hemorrhaging and dying that ebola causes.

Your point about the other strains gaining the niche is well taken, but of course, if its only currently possible to develop a vaccine that prevents 70% of HPV cases, why would we be against that? Hopefully when another 4 strains expand into the niche and make up 70% (of the now reduced number of cases) we can develop a vaccine for that.

I don't get why you say this will not prevent cancer-causing HPV. You said earlier that that is exactly what it does, it prevents the common strains that cause all the cancer. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[PLOlover]

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I don't get why you say this will not prevent cancer-causing HPV. You said earlier that that is exactly what it does, it prevents the common strains that cause all the cancer.

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No, they all cause cancer. My point is the vaccine will not prevent women from getting HPV. It will prevent them from getting 4 strains of HPV, assuming it works 100%. So women can get the shots and still get HPV.

Also the 70% may not be accurate, and is not claimed for say Mexico, where the vaccine may be only 10% effective.

Interestingly the manufacturer makes no claims as to cancer prevention of the vaccine.

[vhawk01]

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I don't get why you say this will not prevent cancer-causing HPV. You said earlier that that is exactly what it does, it prevents the common strains that cause all the cancer.

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No, they all cause cancer. My point is the vaccine will not prevent women from getting HPV. It will prevent them from getting 4 strains of HPV, assuming it works 100%. So women can get the shots and still get HPV.

Also the 70% may not be accurate, and is not claimed for say Mexico, where the vaccine may be only 10% effective.

Interestingly the manufacturer makes no claims as to cancer prevention of the vaccine.

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Also, boo flu shots? I am confused as to the issue here. Of course it won't prevent all strains, at least not currently. So?

[PLOlover]

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Also, boo flu shots? I am confused as to the issue here. Of course it won't prevent all strains, at least not currently. So?

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If the big draw of the HPV vaccine is that it will prevent cervical cancer so we better give it to young girls so they don't get cancer,

doesn't it bother you that it doesn't prevent HPV and doesn't prevent cervical cancer?

I mean if you wanna go pay an indian raindancer to do a rain dance so you have good weather, go right ahead, but don't try to coerce or force me into doing the same.