Top Two Facing Possible Flush

Pedigree · #1 02-15-2007, 05:55 PM

I'm convinced I played pre-flop and on the river correctly. Not as sure about the flop. Not at all sure about the turn. I have a feeling I should've raised the turn. Thoughts?

-MP3 seems loose, aggressive and good (25/12.5/1.6 over 35 hands)
-MP2 is an utter maniac

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
4 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.5SB, 4 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7.25BB, 2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9.25BB, 2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 11.25BB

Grease · #2 02-15-2007, 06:00 PM

I don't think MP3 has a flush if he knows how to play.

If he had a flush, he would C/R the flop and trap everyone with his big hand. I think you're looking at two pair (maybe AT or A4?).

I like a turn raise, but I don't mind the calldown, since he could 3-bet if he has a flush. Although you're compelled to call since you have 4 outs in this fairly large pot.

If you raise and he 3-bets, can you fold the river UI?

Yeah, I like a turn raise.

Boggy Depot · #3 02-15-2007, 06:04 PM

I wouldn't raise the turn. You raised after the possible flush showed on the flop and he reraised then still bet into you on the turn. He could have the flush, a set, or possibly A-T but villian is showing no fear. Once the Q came on the turn you need to call down and see what he has.

Pedigree · #4 02-15-2007, 06:07 PM

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I don't think MP3 has a flush if he knows how to play.

If he had a flush, he would C/R the flop and trap everyone with his big hand. I think you're looking at two pair (maybe AT or A4?).

I like a turn raise, but I don't mind the calldown, since he could 3-bet if he has a flush. Although you're compelled to call since you have 4 outs in this fairly large pot.

If you raise and he 3-bets, can you fold the river UI?

Yeah, I like a turn raise.

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If he three-bets the turn I think it's correct to fold the river unimproved. However, in the heat of the moment, I'm sure I'd make a mistake and call.

Does the rest of the hand look fine?

martybonus · #5 02-15-2007, 06:12 PM

raise the turn. yeah, given the PF play it's possible he's got [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]s in his hand, maybe SCs, but fearing the flush just cos the board is mono-suited is MUBS.

flop raise is fine. you've got TPgK, assume it's okay until they say otherwise. any number of hands he might be betting here.

if he's a good LAG as you read him to be, his 3bet here doesn't scream 'flush'. he could be on TPTK, 2pair (ie Aces and tens) or maybe a set. Just cos he 3bet doesn't mean he's on a flush.

i think raise the turn. you spiked a second pair. if he continues his aggression then go into call-down mode. but don't immediately switch into call-down mode just cos he 3bet on the flop. if he's a LAG, he could be betting hard with anything. he might just be bluffing the flush.

don't mubs yourself [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

CrMenace · #6 02-15-2007, 06:14 PM

*Grunch*

Your reads are inconsistent. If he's loose aggressive, I'd cap the flop and go from there. If he's good, I think you played it perfectly -- since he's not expecting any callers on the flop, he's indicating a very strong hand, not a flush draw.

HouseCalls · #7 02-15-2007, 06:14 PM

I just call the turn. We may be ahead of a lower two pair or we may be behind a flush but have outs to a full house. Since I'm not sure where I am, I don't want to be forced to call a three-bet to see the river.

CrMenace · #8 02-15-2007, 06:23 PM

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If he had a flush, he would C/R the flop and trap everyone with his big hand. I think you're looking at two pair (maybe AT or A4?).

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Is this really how a smart villain plays aces up? He can't protect against a four-flush, so isn't the proper play there to c/r as well? If the proper play for aces up is to bet out, is it correct to 3-b as well?

How does a low flush play this board?

I'm not getting how we can tell this isn't a flush by the action.

Pedigree · #9 02-15-2007, 06:25 PM

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*Grunch*

Your reads are inconsistent. If he's loose aggressive, I'd cap the flop and go from there. If he's good, I think you played it perfectly -- since he's not expecting any callers on the flop, he's indicating a very strong hand, not a flush draw.

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I don't want to cap the flop because I'm more often than not behind even against LAGs. This guy wasn't a maniac or anything. Just a pretty aggressive/loosish postflop player. I'm calling the flop because I'm heads-up getting 13-to-1.

Pedigree · #10 02-15-2007, 06:27 PM

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If he had a flush, he would C/R the flop and trap everyone with his big hand. I think you're looking at two pair (maybe AT or A4?).

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Is this really how a smart villain plays aces up? He can't protect against a four-flush, so isn't the proper play there to c/r as well? If the proper play for aces up is to bet out, is it correct to 3-b as well?

How does a low flush play this board?

I'm not getting how we can tell this isn't a flush by the action.

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I showed preflop aggression and I'm acting immediately after him. If he waits for me to bet then check-raises (as he should with a strong made hand) the two callers in between are likely to come along because they only have to put in one bet each time. If he has two-pair, it's correct to bet and hope that I raise, blasting the two callers in between out of the pot.