Busted flush leaves 2-pair

Mucker · #1 02-15-2007, 03:55 PM

I have been playing more aggressively for ~1000 hands but worry that I'm going too far with it.

Would check/called on the river have been better after the 3-bet? Check/fold? Should the the two pair A+7 be considered a made hand?

BB: 66/0.6/0.5
MP1: no read

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls, MP1 raises, 5 folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, BB calls, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (15.20 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, BB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 19.20 BB

MrWookie · #2 02-15-2007, 03:58 PM

3bet flop. I'm tempted to cap the turn.

Todd · #3 02-15-2007, 04:08 PM

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3bet flop.

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I have problems doing this when I am out of position. If the flush misses on turn, I am not sure what the best play is, in general.

NIX · #4 02-15-2007, 04:12 PM

I check/raise the flop rather than leading since it has a better chance of trapping the BB.

As played, I'd 3bet the flop.

I'd play the turn the same.

I don't get the river bet though. The 8 didn't improve our hand and isn't a logical scare card to represent. So if we're not ahead enough to cap the turn, I don't think we should lead the river. Plus, if BB is also drawing to the flush or a straight, he'd call a turn cap (more money for us) while still folding on the river if he misses. As played, I'd check/call the river.

And yes, your aces up is a made hand.

Marquis · #5 02-15-2007, 04:16 PM

Checkraise the flop instead of betting into the guy.
Turn looks good. I wouldn't go 4 bets against an unknown even though only a couple hands beat you.
I don't get the river bet at all. What was it trying to accomplish?

Zeldark · #6 02-15-2007, 04:20 PM

You have a mighty fine busted flush. I wouldn't show much in the way of mercy with this. I suspect you are ahead here far more often than not.

Nix is right though. Not much point calling the turn 3-bet and lead the river. Keep attacking or slam the brakes I says. (I lean towards keep pushing)

fretelöo · #7 02-15-2007, 04:21 PM

Again, in a typical game, I'd fold pf. I'm with the c/r here. As long as you stay 3handed, nothing that happens on the flop can cost you money, but you have to make sure that BB stays in the hand. If you bet, MP1 will most likely raise and face BB with 2 cold. Better c/r the original raiser and trap BB, wich might have the added benefit that if you don't improve on the turn, MP1 might be too scared to bet again.

After his 3bet, I call down. His line is very consistent with AJ, JJ, AA. On the other hand, you have to be quite aggressive to raise AK/AQ on the flop with suits that don't match this board too much (which must be the case as you have the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. So he can have at most a bdfd). So in short: while it's not unthinkable that he's aggro enough to raise the flop with his two overs alone, it's more likly that he does that with some sort of draw to go with them (if he has unimoproved overs at all), so I'm slightly worried about AJ here and call down.
River donk makes no sense.

miw210 · #8 02-15-2007, 04:23 PM

I like a 3bet flop and lead turn.

Big Folder · #9 02-15-2007, 04:24 PM

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3bet flop. I'm tempted to cap the turn.

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wookie. I dont see the difference between this hand and this thread which you helped me on.

Both involve a pair and flush draw on the flop with hero being OOP against aggression. IN both hands the hero's pair likely isn't good but he has tons of equity. Both hands also feature a third party who's just going along for the ride and padding hte pot.

My guesses:

1. There, drawing to two-pair Qs and Ts is much weaker than drawing to two pair As and 7s because overcards can pair in the QT hand counterfieting your hand, but not here. (well the J could pair counterfieting your 2-pair and possibly exposing you to trips, but if you'd now be splitting instead of being behind)

2. If the Q came in the QTs hand, there is a redraw to straights or a straight could be out there, though unlikely. Here there is no threat.

3. Not sure how correct this is but a 3-bet is less dangerous to villian than a cap. In a 3-bet he still might cap allowing you to c/r if you improve the turn. But if you cap he will slow down and you won't get 2 bets out of him on the turn. Still, many people slow down to a 3-bet.

bozlax · #10 02-15-2007, 04:34 PM

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Again, in a typical game, I'd fold pf.

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Which time? Playing Axs from early position in normal micro loose-passive games is plenty +EV.