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Old 12-18-2006, 09:49 PM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
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Default Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

The table was fairly aggressive postflop and I had been playing like a rock (if they noticed at all). I limped instead of raising preflop because I didn't want to bloat the pot with a hand that may become marginal quickly postflop.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (3 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero...
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Old 12-18-2006, 09:51 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

bet.

you're likely overthinking this hand.
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Old 12-18-2006, 09:52 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

I dislike your flop bet. At an aggressive table, CO is going to bet the flop for you very often. After all, it's only him against the blinds.

The turn seems like a standard check. Hopefully I'm not missing anything.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:16 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

I like a turn bet here.

If neither of them has a K that is a scary card for them also and folds are likely.

If one of them has the K they are raising here (most likely), and you'll have odds to draw at the flush and fold the river UI.

I like the flop bet also. With TP in an unraised pot and the nut flush draw I think there's an edge that should be pushed here.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:56 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

You basically never want anyone to fold any hand that would ever fold on the turn (same goes for the flop pretty much, which is why I said I didn't like the bet there either).
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Old 12-18-2006, 11:10 PM
lstephen666 lstephen666 is offline
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

Miles, can you elaborate a bit on that sentence?

I think I get what you're saying, but am not really sure, as my brain isn't comprehending it very well.

Thanks.
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Old 12-18-2006, 11:43 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

I think I'd call.
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Old 12-19-2006, 12:16 AM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

I don't get why the K is so bad. You bet the turn and they either raise (K) call(6, diamonds, Q high, maybe a pocket pair) of fold. If you are raised, you would have AK, or K6 to fear to ruin your draw ATM. I think both of those hands are unlikely. A smaller diamond draw will pay you off very well too.

I don't get your complete either. 3 handed, I raise A high instantly, especially with a CO open limper.
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Old 12-19-2006, 12:19 AM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

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You basically never want anyone to fold any hand that would ever fold on the turn (same goes for the flop pretty much, which is why I said I didn't like the bet there either).

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what happened to value? In a "fairly aggressive" game, I don't see anyone betting this flop for you. Not at 1/2 anyway. maybe 30/60. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

FWIW, I would think fairly aggressive to us is passive to you.
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Old 12-19-2006, 12:48 AM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

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bet.

you're likely overthinking this hand.

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Agree.
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