$16s call or fold?

littlepotato · #1 11-09-2006, 03:51 PM

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1360)
UTG+1 (t1350)
MP1 (t1520)
MP2 (t1120)
CO (t2050)
Hero (t1750)
SB (t3450)
BB (t900)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t100, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero raises to t300, SB calls t250, BB calls t200, MP1 calls t200

Flop: (t1200) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets t600 (All-in), MP1 folds, Hero ???

JSH06 · #2 11-09-2006, 04:21 PM

I call here. It's either way ahead or way behind here but I think you're ahead here often enough. He could be making a stop n go with any pair or AX here. A lot of people would check the K to the raiser. He has to expect you to c-bet this board.

Sparta45 · #3 11-09-2006, 04:28 PM

With 1 limper, I would raise to 400 preflop.

As played....I'd probably fold. The board doesn't have many draws on it and it's hard to believe that none of these guys have a K here....including the SB who is pushing into 3 people on a drawless board. Plus, if you call, you're committing more of your stack when somebody can push behind you with top pair. I think I'd fold here....but if you raised to 400, you might have had less callers which might have changed this scenario.....

cleinen · #4 11-09-2006, 04:34 PM

I call. I would also raise to 350-400 preflop. But then i guess you are raising a quarter of your stack. I think a push wouldn't be totally out of line given the stack sizes of the limper and big blind.

JSH06 · #5 11-09-2006, 05:57 PM

Correction: I fold. I didn't pay that much attention originally & thought the hand was heads up. He's pushing into 3 people here. He has a K more often than not.

JSH06 · #6 11-09-2006, 05:57 PM

As others have said, raise to 350-400 preflop.

frostbrn · #7 11-09-2006, 06:00 PM

Forget 350-400, you will get called by the same people when you raise it to 500. With that said, as the hand was played, it's a definite fold when he's pushing into 3 people.

JSH06 · #8 11-09-2006, 06:02 PM

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Forget 350-400, you will get called by the same people when you raise it to 500. With that said, as the hand was played, it's a definite fold when he's pushing into 3 people.

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You prefer to play the pot heads up. Therefore, a raise to 350-400 is appropriate. 500 is just bloating the pot.

cleinen · #9 11-09-2006, 06:07 PM

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Forget 350-400, you will get called by the same people when you raise it to 500. With that said, as the hand was played, it's a definite fold when he's pushing into 3 people.

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I would over push. He is shoving 600 into a 1200 pot. I think he is pushing all sorts of garbage here.

JSH06 · #10 11-09-2006, 06:11 PM

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Forget 350-400, you will get called by the same people when you raise it to 500. With that said, as the hand was played, it's a definite fold when he's pushing into 3 people.

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I would over push. He is shoving 600 into a 1200 pot. I think he is pushing all sorts of garbage here.

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He's also pushing against 3 players. There's no draws that he could be pushing. Do you really think he does this w/o a K often enough to call here? It's either way ahead or way behind. I think we're behind more often than not.

Also, If you insist on continuing with the hand I think calling is better than pushing. At least this way you leave yourself an exit strategy if SB was going for a check-raise. Pushing is pretty bad IMO. Sure you might be able to get SB to fold a weak K but it's not likely enough to make the push.