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11-09-2006, 04:40 AM
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Re: Barfield to the Indians...
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...for "third baseman" Kouzmanoff and RHP Andrew Brown. ... ... hahahah Kevin Towers is an idiot [/ QUOTE ] You really think this was a bad trade for SD? 
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#4
11-09-2006, 05:01 AM
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Re: Barfield to the Indians...
Barfield looks like the epitome of average, but since he's young and very cheap that's pretty cool, I know, but Kouz's defense doesn't seem that terrible, below average, but acceptable and the [censored] can hit like crazy. Plus Clev. threw in a nice reliever and both players going to SD will make the league min. as well as Barfield so what's the BFD? SD seemed set on upgrading at 2B if the rumors are true anyway.
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#7
11-09-2006, 10:19 AM
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Re: Barfield to the Indians...
Ingoring salaries...
They were similar players in 2006, with Giles posting a Win Shares of 16 vs. Barfield's 18. (By comparison, Pujols usually posts a WS of about 40) But Barfields's younger. However, Giles posted a significantly better 25 WS in 2005, so SD could be praying for a bounce-back to those levels. Barfield's age probably makes him a better player now, though, since he is more likely to see improvements in performance.
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#8
11-09-2006, 11:30 AM
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Re: Barfield to the Indians...
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Ingoring salaries... They were similar players in 2006, with Giles posting a Win Shares of 16 vs. Barfield's 18. (By comparison, Pujols usually posts a WS of about 40) But Barfields's younger. However, Giles posted a significantly better 25 WS in 2005, so SD could be praying for a bounce-back to those levels. Barfield's age probably makes him a better player now, though, since he is more likely to see improvements in performance. [/ QUOTE ] Win Shares measures contribution, not true talent. If a player has a high average w/ RISP, then Win Shares gives him credit for that, even if hitting for a high average with RISP is not likely to be a consistently repeatable skill. If a player hits home runs with runners on base, WS gives credit for that, even if there is no repeatable skill in hitting HRs with runners on base v. no runners on base. Who is a better offensive 3rd baseman - Troy Glaus or Melvin Mora? WS says Mora in 2006, even though Glaus' .252/.355/.513 dwarfs Mora's .274/.342/.391? Why? Largely because Mora hit .306 w/ RISP, Glaus .252. Using WS is analagous to using RBI- its value lies in its ability to tell us what someone did, but not so much in what someone will do.
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#9
11-09-2006, 11:48 AM
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Re: Barfield to the Indians...
Yeah, but it's a good way to quickly look at a player's overall contributions (including defense). Like all baseball stats, it doesn't stand alone.
And in this context, it let's us see why SD may go after Giles (i.e. irrationally praying for a return to 2005's contribution level). I didn't mean to say "oh, his win shares were higher, he's better". I said "last year they achieved about the same" which is true.
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#10
11-09-2006, 03:13 PM
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Re: Barfield to the Indians...
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Yeah, but it's a good way to quickly look at a player's overall contributions (including defense). Like all baseball stats, it doesn't stand alone. And in this context, it let's us see why SD may go after Giles (i.e. irrationally praying for a return to 2005's contribution level). I didn't mean to say "oh, his win shares were higher, he's better". I said "last year they achieved about the same" which is true. [/ QUOTE ] Of course the win share numbers you posted are accurate and Giles and Barfield had similar 2006 WS numbers. WS is largely irrelvant to a meaningful analyasis of issue at hand, which is skill going forward, since WS's value is largely tied up in things that aren't consistently repeatable skills. FWIW WS feilding stat's aren't very good. They are esentially the same as BP's rate, which means taking traditional fiedlding stats and then adjusting them based on the handeness and gb/fb ratio of a team's staff, plus a few other goodies. PBP defensive stats are far more accurate and meaningful. Article on this issue
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