Logically refuting atheism in favor of agnosticism

Falcon1511 · #1 10-09-2006, 02:25 PM

1. Humans are not omnipresent or omniscent

2. Without omnipresence or omniscence, one cannot know with absolute certainty whether or not there is or is not a God/Gods

3. Humans cannot know with absolute certainty whether there is a God/Gods or not.

4. If one cannot be certain of there being or not being a God/Gods, then one cannot logically be an atheist

5. Therefore it's logically invalid for one to claim they are an atheist.

guesswest · #2 10-09-2006, 02:32 PM

I actually am an agnostic. But I'm sure someone is about to point out that you can say the same thing about leprechauns.

valenzuela · #3 10-09-2006, 02:32 PM

1. Humans are not omnipresent or omniscent

2. Without omnipresence or omniscence, one cannot know with absolute certainty whether or not there is or is not a Flying spagheti monster that rules all of us

3. Humans cannot know with absolute certainty whether there is a Flying spagheti monster that rules all of us or not.

4. If one cannot be certain of there being or not being a
Flying spagheti monster that rules all of us, then one cannot logically be an atheist

5. Therefore it's logically invalid for one to claim they are an atheist.

bocablkr · #4 10-09-2006, 02:32 PM

Using your logic humans can't know anything with absolute certainty.

Falcon1511 · #5 10-09-2006, 02:34 PM

That is because leprechauns are logically possible.

guesswest · #6 10-09-2006, 02:35 PM

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That is because leprechauns are logically possible.

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What?

Are you saying god isn't logically possible? If so, why are you rejecting atheism?

Falcon1511 · #7 10-09-2006, 02:38 PM

I am not rejecting god, I am saying it is not valid to call oneself an atheist.

BobJoeJim · #8 10-09-2006, 02:38 PM

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Using your logic humans can't know anything with absolute certainty.

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Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

guesswest · #9 10-09-2006, 02:40 PM

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I am not rejecting god, I am saying it is not valid to call oneself an atheist.

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I'm saying that in your argument, as you've written it, you can replace god with 'leprechauns' or 'unicorns'. Are you saying that we can't deny the existence of these things either?

If you are, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to figure out what your position is...

Falcon1511 · #10 10-09-2006, 02:48 PM

Yes, you can replace leprechauns and unicorns. That doesn't change the strength of the argument as it relates to God/gods.

Almost anything you can think up is logically possible. 2+2 = 10 is not logically possible though.