"Official" nrog guy/org thread

[BluffTHIS!]

The nrog guy has been getting both a lot of abuse and praise in various threads, and such posts are sidetracking same. So I think we need a thread to discuss him and his organization and suggest posters post in this thread in the future when they disagree with him or his posts in general in an issue specific thread.

So to start out, I would like to ask the nrog guy the following questions:

1) Is the main source of your funds from dues paying members or offshore gambling concerns?

2) While most of us realize you can't be extremely specific about lobbying contacts, can you tell us what lobbying firm(s) you are using?

3) Would you object to providing the following type of source description for your various informational posts?:

-a) Low tier source - secretary or phone answerer who most likely doesn't know didly;

-b) Mid tier source - principal staff of a congressman/senator or senate/house committee (w/o mentioning the person's or his boss' name of course);

-c) Top tier source - senator/congressman or chief of staff;

-d) Other news source - taken from another news source or site with or without attribution.

[Freerollin`]

This thread is a terrible idea.

[BluffTHIS!]

No it's not. The credentials and primary interests, as well as the sources of information given by him are all relevant to his credibility. While it might seem that anyone who aids us is indeed our friend, that isn't necesarily true, and also is dependant on the assumption such aid really is being given. The PPA prez has (rightly IMO but to a point past what is fair) been critcized in this forum for either lack of effective action, or transparency of operations. The same standard needs to be applied to this nrog guy as well. The questions I asked are perfectly reasonable.

Also as I said, this issue of the nrog guy's credibility and whether he is giving primary new source info versus cribbing from other sources is a valid one as well, and such discussions are sidetracking other threads.

[Josh.]

why do you insist on harassing him

[BluffTHIS!]

Josh,

Again the questions, similar to those asked of the PPA prez, are valid ones, as is the desire to keep such discussions in one thread instead of them sidetracking others.

So far, this guy is just a "You heard it here first! and we're working behind the scenes to defeat this!" n00b account, with no indication he should be given any credence, or that he isn't just racing to give info here gleaned from other news sources before someone else does with no true insider knowledge. So yes I am skeptical, but there is nothing wrong with that, and I am open to changing my view to a positive one if he seriously answers the valid questions I and others have asked.

I am just as fearful of the legistlation passing as you and others, but that doesn't mean I am just going to accept any new poster's assertions at face value without some kind of sourcing or credentials.

[Josh.]

so you could've asked him to verify himself rather than ask him a bunch of questions he won't answer regardless of who he is, questions that will do nothing but push him closer to not posting here. even if he gets ahead of himself sometimes, he's still on the same team as us

[BluffTHIS!]

Josh,

His answers to those questions go a long way to verifying his credibility. There is no way they can't be answered for fear of compromising any true ability to act, as I specifically noted I didn't expect him to give people's actual names, or those of who is providing any funds he is using. And since as was demonstrated regarding the PPA guy, lobbying disclosure laws require certain info regarding same to be made publicly availabe if one knows where to search. So no breach of confidentiality there either.

[ZBTHorton]

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so you could've asked him to verify himself rather than ask him a bunch of questions he won't answer regardless of who he is, questions that will do nothing but push him closer to not posting here. even if he gets ahead of himself sometimes, he's still on the same team as us

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[BluffTHIS!]

ZB et al:

Those questions are asking him to verify himself. As I said, there is no real reason they can't be answered.

[gonebroke]

Quit busting his balls. Instead of questioning the integrity of the guy who is doing the most in regards to this bill, try helping him out. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out a majority of his funding is coming from offshore sites.