Top 2 vs. lagtard.......

Hamburglar · #1 09-17-2006, 05:29 PM

typical $200nl lagtard. i've been pounding on him since he never folds and is sitting on my immediate left, also just rivered a str8 against him.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($294.45)
Button ($189.65)
SB ($129)
BB ($108)
UTG ($58.15)
MP1 ($160.10)
MP2 ($86)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to $6, Button calls $6, 1 fold, BB calls $4.

Flop: ($19) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12, Button calls $12, BB folds.

Turn: ($43) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $26, Button raises to $171.65, Hero: ?

turn bet ok?

bheinima · #2 09-18-2006, 01:03 AM

I probably puke and call, hoping that he's tilting and spewing because of the history. This is so borderline that it really depends on my read of villain.

Your flop bet is too small, especially on such a drawy board. I bet more like $16 as a standard c-bet, possibly even more due to the drawy board. I bet more on turn too, so as not to look weak against the kind of LAG like this who might pounce when he senses weakness.

soah · #3 09-18-2006, 01:37 AM

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turn bet ok?

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No way. Especially if you don't know what to do when he raises. There are multiple draws out there and you won't know which cards you will like to see on the river. If you bet more, you cut down his implied odds, and you also make it much less likely that he will raise you with a worse hand so that you can correctly fold if needed.

Although if he's super-LAGtarded and you still won't be comfortable folding (but not happy calling either) then there is an argument for just checking and letting him do all the betting for you, since he will be betting with all his draws and worse made hands. But if he bets pot twice then he'll end up pretty much all-in anyway, so in this particular spot there isn't much benefit to this line (unless there are some hands you have crushed which will keep betting if checked to, but will fold to more pressure).

btw, this is not a good flop for such a small bet either, due to all the draws. Top two is not a hand you are going to let go of very easily even if a draw hits, so make sure to get value from your hand when you can be almost certain it's ahead.

Kilillan · #4 09-18-2006, 01:45 AM

well insta-call from the description obviously

I wouldn't mind check/raising the turn, or leading for pot on the turn

bet2win · #5 09-18-2006, 01:59 AM

the weak turn bet is ok if you think he will sense weakness and come over the top

otherwise make it to 37 or so bet more on the flop also

luckychewy · #6 09-18-2006, 02:37 AM

bet more on the flop, more on the turn, insta-call as played...

Hamburglar · #7 09-18-2006, 02:54 AM

flop looks weak because i wanted to get raised. unless he flopped a set of 8s, i was surely a big favorite.

turn is where it seems to go bad, i desperately wanted a cheap showdown. lets say i pot the turn, he pushes, do i still call?

what hands can call the flop, push the turn that i can lose to here?

T-God · #8 09-18-2006, 02:57 AM

potfloppotfloppotflop

Hamburglar · #9 09-18-2006, 09:07 AM

yo peeps! get help, give help. i've been giving and now give back.

lets say i pot the turn, he pushes, do i still call?

Phresh · #10 09-18-2006, 09:12 AM

I make it $8 pre, I bet $18 on flop, $40 on turn and call a push.