bet sizes online/neccessary to overbet?

[doh742]

ok

better question this time (maybe)

in online games, stt's and mtt's at lower levels, 10 dollars to 20 dollars, is it neccessary to adjust you standard bet amounts upward. i have found, pot sized bets don't seem to convey as much strenght, you almost need to overbet to get the respect...any thoughts. this would mean continuation bets, instead of half the pot, need to be pot sized or three quarters to work, but, then, you cut down on the profitablility of the play...stuck, i just might not use them as much

[The Truth]

My standard c-bet is around 3/4 pot.

I think you should stop bluffing these low limit players so much. Your post seem to tell me that you cant get them to fold. Stop trying. Nut peddle. It is much easier than trying to actually beat thinking opponents. Trust me. I wish I could nut peddle again.

blake

[winky51]

Bet appropriate to the table and players. I generally bet less vs opponents who have no clue of pot odds. BUT I bet enough that makes them pay the improper price for sucking out. My belief is that I can play more hands and profit from while reducing the variance in the tournament. I also try to play their hand not mine. I rarely bluff the lessor players.

[vypremik]

Early in a MTT respect is not very important. You probably won't stay with the players long enough to build a reputation unless you see the same players over and over in many tournaments.

Against weak players, respect is hard to get, too. And you will see weak players at all levels, especially early in tourneys.

Bascially, I suggest you usually play more conservatively with your weak hands and draws. Let someone else take the lead and don't follow unless you have the odds to play along. At the same time, you should play your good hands more strongly. Since the table is used to oversized bets, you should be able to get more profit from your strong hands.

Bascially play fewer hands, but play them more strongly. It should be more profitable, and few people will pick up on your playing style in the early part of the tourney (or at a low limit table). Even if they do pick it up, there is little they can do about it with everyone else overbetting and it should prove profitable in the short run.

[runout_mick]

It seems like you might be misunderstanding the relevance of bet sizes.

There's no simple answer. I could, irresposibly, say "Bet more!", or "Bet less!", but there's no answer there.

Every bet you make should have a single purpose, which is to cause your opponent to make an error. Either make him fold a better hand, or make him pay inappropriate odds to continue playing a losing hand.

To do this you must account for several things. How strong is my hand, relative to the board? What are my opponents likely holdings? What type of player are they? How likely is my hand to improve? What does my opponent likely think my holdings are? How likely is he to be drawing? What did I have for lunch? Etc. etc..

For every street of every hand you must process and evaluate all the information at your disposal to come up with the "perfect" bet amount for the situation you are currently in. This is playing poker.


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bet sizes online/neccessary to overbet?

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Long story short: It depends.

I know this isn't the quick fix you were looking for, but I think a quick fix isn't what you need.

Hope this helps...