DN loses respect for Raymer

[bruceypants]

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The advantage the seven players have is that they can (according to the U.S. Gov't and the WPT) advertise their site on television, while the WPT, who works within the laws cannot.

The reason they bring this up, is that these players are trying to claim that the WPT is "unfairly" making deals with casinos to run only WPT events.

It's all just ridiculous, and I've lost respect for most everyone involved in the lawsuit from the players side. Aside from Joe Hachem, who frankly, I'm not really sure realizes what he got himself into.

I have a lot more faith and trust in poker's greatest ambassadors than I do the seven players who, IMO, over value their worth to the poker world.

I'd rather side with people like Mike Sexton, Chip Reese, Barry Greenstein, and the like, before siding with seven players who went about this whole thing in the entirely wrong way.

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http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...2572&st=20

This lawsuit is going to be the best thing ever. Watching all of these rich idiots take each other down instead of working together to build up the poker world will be highly entertaining.

The only downside is that it may be us online grinders who end up bearing the brunt of this misguided lawsuit if the lawsuit happens to grab the attention of Congress.

[cbloom]

Anyone have the text of Raymer's comments?

ps. Daniel's going on about it is just as bad as the suit; he's drawing a lot of attention to the whole thing, and his ranting has zero positive effect. It seems Daniel just likes to talk and doesn't think very much about the purpose/effect of what he's saying.

[Gobias Ind.]

Who are the seven, specifically?

[True North]

Raymer, Hachem, Lederer, Duke, Gordon, Bloch, and Ferguson.

[bruceypants]

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Anyone have the text of Raymer's comments?

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Here are some of Raymer's previous comments:

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I do not see any legal basis by which the WPT can bring any online site into this lawsuit in any manner whatsoever. They will likely ask us during any depositions about the activity of our respective sites that we the Plaintiffs represent, and the answers will be that these sites have nothing to do with the lawsuit. With that being the case, I do not see any way that the judge would rule that the WPT could bring the online sites into the case as either parties or witnesses. You can't drag somebody into an existing lawsuit without some evidence that they are involved. You don't necessarily need a lot of evidence, but you must have something. In this case, there is nothing I know of that would give the WPT the standing to attack the online sites.


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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...rue#Post6821359

It looks like Raymer was dead wrong about that as the WPT mentioned Full Tilt's illegal activities in their response to the 7's lawsuit.

DN has said all along that he doesn't care which side is right or wrong. He mainly feels that this lawsuit will be bad for online poker becaue the legality of online poker will become an issue in this lawsuit (which it has):

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For example, Full Tilt Poker, a website started by Plaintiffs Chris Ferguson and Howard Lederer and with which at least two other Plaintiffs are affiliated, already competes unfairly against WPTE by using the tremendous revenues it obtains from promoting online gambling in the United States and accepting online bets from persons located in the United States – activities declared by the US Department of Justice as illegal under existing law – to subsidize the poker programming it offers television networks. WPTE, on the other hand, complies with the letter and spirit of the law as currently interpreted by the DOJ and employs numerous safeguards to ensure no one in the United States can place a bet on its online poker website, leaving websites like Full Tilt Poker (and its owners Chris Ferguson and Howard Lederer) to reap these illicit profits.

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http://img.worldpokertour.com/media/article/214.pdf

DN feels that the 7 plaintiffs (Raymer, Jesus, Lederer, Annie Duke, etc) are putting their own greed ahead of the good of the game.

[Lawman007]

With this lawsuit, these 7 plaintiffs may end up helping to destroy the American online poker world that has made them all rich and famous.

[heater]

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Negreanu is right, and Raymer and the other 6 dwarfs are wrong. Their lawsuit is about nothing but greed, plain and simple.

They don't give a damn about anybody but themselves. These 7 bozos are going to help destroy the same online poker world that has made them all multimillionaires.

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I don't know why I didn't put you on ignore a long time ago.

[jman220]

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With this lawsuit, these 7 plaintiffs may end up helping to destroy the American online poker world that has made them all rich and famous.

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Oh please, this whole thing has gotten so blown out of proportion its ridiculous. The odds of this having the effect you are suggesting are ridiculously low.

[Daliman]

I'm not positive I'm reading this right, but why can't the WPT advertise on TV? I know I see their commercials all the time, so what's the story here?

[whiskeytown]

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Negreanu is right, and Raymer and the other 6 dwarfs are wrong. Their lawsuit is about nothing but greed, plain and simple.

They don't give a damn about anybody but themselves. These 7 bozos are going to help destroy the same online poker world that has made them all multimillionaires.

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I don't know why I didn't put you on ignore a long time ago.

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judging by the way he post-edited the quote you have, I concur.

RB