meh, i hate this spot...

[Surf]

loosish / badish fishy but not terrible limps HJ. Aggressive unknown (no stats but lots of betting and raising) raises from the CO. I call black 44 in the BB, fishy calls.

3 to the flop for 6sb.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I check, fishy checks, aggro bets, I c-r. Easy so far?
Fishy folds. aggro calls. 2 to the turn for 5BB.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I check, aggro bets, I call. 2 to the river for 7BB.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I check, aggro bets, I fold.


Meh. I don't like folding a hand with showdown value here against a semi-unknown aggro. I think c-r'ing is better than c-c'ing, though.

Surf

[StupidAcesSigh]

I like a flop fold.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

[ QUOTE ]
I like a flop fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

you're crazy.

[DeathDonkey]

I play it the same.

-DeathDonkey

[mntbikr15]

Do we really like calling the turn and folding the river?

If I call that turn Im seeing a showdown.

[MATT111]

I do not see what`s so bad about folding the flop. Fishy probably won`t fold a better hand even for 2 SB and as COs raising range seems to be very wide he may have well made a pair. Co may use any turn card to put us to the test.
Fold. Next hand.

[mntbikr15]

[ QUOTE ]
I do not see what`s so bad about folding the flop. Fishy probably won`t fold a better hand even for 2 SB and as COs raising range seems to be very wide he may have well made a pair. Co may use any turn card to put us to the test.
Fold. Next hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

Best option and well said. I still agree with my first post however.

[AdamL]

I don't like a line that leads to folding against this guy for one bet. I'm not sure whether to bet-call down from the turn or check-call twice.

Unless you have a note that says "Gives up his bluffs on the river" on him, I'm calling that river against a guy who is betting and raising a lot. I don't expect to win a lot, but over 1 in 8 times.

edit

Okay, why is check-raising superior to check-calling? What worse hand will call the raise? Will he fold a jack for one more bet on the river?

[kiddo]

[ QUOTE ]
you're crazy.

[/ QUOTE ]

if u never fold the best hand u are playing bad poker

[AdamL]

Sure, but if you frequently fold the best hand you are playing bad poker too.