Party 3/6-How did I play this?

NeedAJoker · #1 07-24-2006, 03:47 PM

3/6 Part Poker game, just sat down so no real reads on any players, just curious if I played this correct. Comments on every street would be great. Thank you guys in advance.
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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (7.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO raises, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.66 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (12.66 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 13.66 BB

Mattafuga · #2 07-24-2006, 03:58 PM

I wouldn't have 3 bet the flop. Yes, best case scenario you have 16 outs, but the flush can't be counted for its full 9 outs when drawing to the 2nd nut flush, and if he has that ace, you lose an out on your gutter, leaving you with 6 outs, but probably not even that from the strength he's showing.

I don't think its a strong enough draw to 3 bet it, but the turn and river were played correctly IMO.

Dangeresque · #3 07-24-2006, 04:27 PM

I think leading out was a bad idea here. You either want to trap the field on the flop for an extra bet for value, or blast them out with a check raise to add to your marginal outs. Either way, you're not losing very much by missing the bet here. As it stands there wasn't any great consequences. I'm somewhat worried about your implied odds as well, because your draws are for second best hands already. Admittedly, the CO could have simply been making a run at a scare board, but that possibility drops off when he bets into two of you on the river. I think you may well have been drawing to 7 or possibly dead. The reraise here is overvaluing the hand, and committing yourself to marginal calls on the river.

SixForty · #4 07-24-2006, 05:27 PM

I bet the flop like you did. You likely have tons of equity here, and you really don't have any reason to believe that anyone else will bet. I want to make sure that a bet goes in on the flop, and leading here is the best way to do it.

With a one card flush draw that's not to the nuts, I'm not often 3betting it with this few people when it comes back to you. If your T was a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], and the 9 on the flop was a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], then it's an easy 3bet. But with CO raising here and and there only 3 players left in, Hero's outs may be less and may be dirty here often enough to make me believe that Hero's equity may not be big enough to 3bet. And out of position, 3betting can't get us a freecard. If all 7 players were in when CO raised, then there's more than enough overlay to 3bet it for value.

So I just call the raise on the flop and play the rest of the hand exactly as you did.

Haupt_234 · #5 07-24-2006, 05:39 PM

I like the flop bet out since you have a ton of outs, but I don't like the 3bet. You don't have enough equity to do that.

I would just call the flop raise.

Haupt_234

ncboiler · #6 07-24-2006, 05:47 PM

The only question I think is your flop play. You are against 7 people out of position with the second nut one card flush draw. I think betting out is fine with this many people but when 4 people fold CO raises and another person folds a re-raise is bad. It's now heads up and you are on a draw and you don't have the equity to make the raise. Call down the raise and the turn UI.

NeedAJoker · #7 07-24-2006, 06:11 PM

Perfect, thanks guys for the responses.

Moyer · #8 07-27-2006, 02:26 AM

I don't think it's a big deal either way, but I check the flop. You have a lot of potential outs, but they're almost all dirty. I also think that with that many players, someone else will bet this flop almost every time (or raise you if you bet).

raze · #9 07-27-2006, 02:44 AM

I don't like the flop 3-bet.. you aren't ahead and you are OOP, so you're only charging yourself. Seems pointless to me

ed - great table select BTW

laclippersfan · #10 07-27-2006, 07:50 AM

there's a big difference between the king of clubs and the ace of clubs. i wouldn't bet this flop because your equity is not all that great on a monotone flop + you are oop. button obviously had the naked ace this time.

c/c flop. c/c turn. fold river ui.