Top Pair - Good Kicker - Is calling down a mistake?

22pajo · #1 07-24-2006, 06:29 AM

Limit: $0.50/$1
10 players

Villain is TAG (29/10/2.5 over 70 hands).

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
4 folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8.5SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5.25BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7.25BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero ???

Any other way to play this?

Str8Fish · #2 07-24-2006, 07:28 AM

29/10/2.5 isn't TAG. I'd call this down with those stats.

22pajo · #3 07-24-2006, 07:39 AM

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29/10/2.5 isn't TAG. I'd call this down with those stats.

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What kind of stats indicates a TAG?

Str8Fish · #4 07-24-2006, 07:45 AM

someone who's 29/10/2.5 is more of a LAG. A TAG is something like 18/10/3.

Poker Plan · #5 07-24-2006, 08:26 AM

Top pair pretty good kicker: I would have led out the betting and see where you stand,

the way you played it- you were doing all the guessing, not the villain.

If he 3-bet your flop bet, you could think about folding?

Ian

Bonesy · #6 07-24-2006, 12:23 PM

I agree that he isn't a TAG, but he is AG. Leading out the flop against a LAG is useless. You will bet raised a ton by whatever and it tells you nothing.

That river card sux, because a few more combos just passed you. The pot is big enough to call, but I wouldn't like it.

shadow. · #7 07-24-2006, 01:14 PM

i c/r the flop.

i'd guess that this opponent actually is a tag...he's just played a couple more blind hands in these 70 that is upping his vpip without a corresponding increase in pfr. also note that there are tags that aren't 2p2ers-- these guys are on like rgp and p5s and are more passive than 2p2ers are.

Murakawa · #8 07-24-2006, 02:16 PM

I would C/R the flop. Like others are saying, if he's AG it would be useless to open. He might well have something like K-9 if he's LAG. If he reraises your check-raise then calling down was probably right. The pot is big enough, I think, that you shouldn't fold if even if you're pretty sure you're beat.

Then again, I wouldn't be suprised to see K-T, K3s or even a big pocket pair.

I wonder if you had opened with a bet on the flop if he would still have bet out.

I think you probably played it well.

Langerz · #9 07-24-2006, 04:30 PM

The flop is probably WA/WB (although I think we are A a little more than B) so I like the call. If you donk or raise ahead he is going to fold and you miss bets of him continuing to fire, if you are behind it will probably just cost you more. Same on the turn.

Honestly in the heat of the moment I call this river, but I think a fold may be better. That seems weak with TPGK, but what are we really ahead of that he is 3betting pf - QQ, AJ, AT, 99? I don't think we are ahead 1 in 8 times unless you have a read on a wide range he will 3 bet. That river card isn't good.

Veron · #10 07-24-2006, 05:55 PM

a vpip of 29 isn't tight so I won't call villain a TAG. On the flop I'd call planning to call it down all the way. But the turn and river are both bad cards, so you only beat QQ, and I doubt if calling the river hoping to see QQ or some other strange unexpected hand is +EV