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Old 07-23-2006, 10:17 PM
kawelljd kawelljd is offline
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Default Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair

This is my first hand post, so sorry if I screw something up. I am curious about the turn and especially my river bet. Villian is 22/15 over only 27 hands(no read). Any advice?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, 4.
[color=#666666]5 folds</font>, MP3 calls, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 6, 4, K [color=#0000FF](4 players)</font>
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets</font>, MP3 folds, Button folds, [color=#CC3333]SB raises</font>, [color=#CC3333]Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 7 [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (7 BB) 5 [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB
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Old 07-23-2006, 10:24 PM
dchz dchz is offline
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Default Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair

whenyou conver the hand chose the formatt of 2+2 instead of codes

i think you played this hand fine... a river check would be ok, but with no reads this is best IMO
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Old 07-23-2006, 10:30 PM
TheHip41 TheHip41 is offline
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Default Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair

i like it. river bet is a must, if he c/r, I'd probably fold.

Another line I take here, is since you don't have to worry about protecting your hand on teh flop after everyone folds, and the SB 3bets, is this.

call the 3bet, and raise the turn if it's not a K.
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Old 07-23-2006, 10:33 PM
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Default Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair

Looks standard.

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Old 07-24-2006, 01:31 AM
SixForty SixForty is offline
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Default Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair

I like it. When Villain doesn't raise you on the turn, he's almost always on a lone K here.

Another line that can work well when in position like you are here is to just call the raise and then raise the turn card. This is best if you know he'll autobet the turn. Without many hands against him though, I think either line is fine.

Excellent river bet!
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Old 07-24-2006, 07:29 AM
Webster Webster is offline
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Default Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair

You will win flopping 2 pair 70% of the time. When you lose it's a heart breaker.

Typically when you lose it's to a straight because you are playing cards close to each other which means there is a straight.
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:27 AM
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Default Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair

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Excellent river bet!

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If on the flop villain had just check/called, would you still advocate the river bet?
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Old 07-24-2006, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair

I don't like the idea of just calling and then raising the turn. There are highly plausible flush and straight draws out there so I want to get as much money in on the flop as possible. Plus, bottom two is an extremely vulnerable holding even without the draws out there. If the board was less coordinated or our hand is less vulnerable, I'd agree that the flop call/turn raise line is a good one for getting a little extra in there. It's pretty clear that his most likely holding is a naked king, so keep puming it until you have a reason not to.
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Old 07-24-2006, 02:15 PM
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I don't like the idea of just calling and then raising the turn. There are highly plausible flush and straight draws out there so I want to get as much money in on the flop as possible. Plus, bottom two is an extremely vulnerable holding even without the draws out there. If the board was less coordinated or our hand is less vulnerable, I'd agree that the flop call/turn raise line is a good one for getting a little extra in there. It's pretty clear that his most likely holding is a naked king, so keep puming it until you have a reason not to.

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That's why I put in there "if he'll autobet the turn" Some opponents you just know that they'll follow up with a turn bet if you just call the flop checkraise, regardless of whether or not they raised the flop with a made hand or a draw. Against such an opponent, they are getting to the river anyway, and putting in bets on their own accord to do it, and the smooth call/raise the turn line charges them a bit more.

But only if you know he's following up with a turn bet almost all the time!
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Old 07-24-2006, 02:16 PM
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Default Re: Party 0.50/1 BB flopped 2 pair

I still disagree with it, even with the autobet. You need to pump as much in there on this flop as you can regardless of his turn tendencies.
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