C-bet percentage question

bruin · #1 07-19-2006, 04:30 PM

What percent of the time do you bet this flop (this is from a Speed 33)? 80%? More?

PartyPoker Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t4264)
UTG+1 (t1475)
MP1 (t1278)
MP2 (t3390)
MP3 (t1885)
Hero (t1910)
Button (t1478)
SB (t2180)
BB (t2140)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t100, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero raises to t350, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t250

Flop: (t700) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks

TryTight · #2 07-19-2006, 04:39 PM

Closer to 100%. Can't gain any information with a check.

curtains · #3 07-19-2006, 04:39 PM

I lawerned new secret trick against random pepole. You can bet extremely small amount and they fold a lot. I keep doing it with monsters, raising PF...pot has 900 in it, I bet 200 into 2 opponents and they both instafold. Happened to me over and over, so I figure you may as well do it 100% of the time in spots like this against random opponents. I mean at absolute worst bet 200 and see what happens, there is almost no chance that they don't fold enough to make it a +EV bet.

tewall · #4 07-19-2006, 04:43 PM

Against random people I do it 100% of the time, and almost always make it 1/2 pot. I was interested in curtains comment. Could a smaller amount be better? An interesting thought.

bruin · #5 07-19-2006, 04:45 PM

FWIW I HAVE been betting 100% here against a random. Just didn't feel right.

I definitely will try the smaller bet thing out. It sucks when it feels like I get check-raised half of the time and then I'm left with half of my stack.

TryTight · #6 07-19-2006, 04:51 PM

Turn it around now. If you are UTG-1 and CO just put a $200 bet into a $850 pot, what is your range?

Taraz · #7 07-19-2006, 04:51 PM

Unless I have some sort of read, I'm almost always throwing a bet out here when I'm in position.

I'm a little less enthusiastic about what to do in this spot when we are in early position and we get called from the CO/Button. Thoughts?

wpr101 · #8 07-19-2006, 04:53 PM

100% of the time... it is actually not too bad a flop as long as he didn't hit a queen. In a cash game I would say bet 3/4 the pot. In a sit and go bet closer to 1/2 the pot.

wpr101 · #9 07-19-2006, 04:55 PM

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I lawerned new secret trick against random pepole. You can bet extremely small amount and they fold a lot. I keep doing it with monsters, raising PF...pot has 900 in it, I bet 200 into 2 opponents and they both instafold. Happened to me over and over, so I figure you may as well do it 100% of the time in spots like this against random opponents. I mean at absolute worst bet 200 and see what happens, there is almost no chance that they don't fold enough to make it a +EV bet.

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I don't mind this every once in awhile but I don't want to have my continuation bets floated too much also. The cash game forums seem to reccommend always betting 3/4-1 of the pot. Curtains, do you know why the strategies are so divergent for cash games and sngs? I'm not too sure myself but I sort of think I understand it.

gumpzilla · #10 07-19-2006, 04:57 PM

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Curtains, do you know why the strategies are so divergent for cash games and sngs? I'm not too sure myself but I sort of think I understand it.

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Deeper stacks => more implied odds => more need to make people pay to draw. (EDIT: Also more need to pump the pot early and often if you want to stack somebody.)