If only they were aces...

TwistedEcho · #1 01-20-2006, 12:52 PM

Fairly deep in the 3r, i forget if we are ITM yet, i doubt it - but its pretty close. Button is pretty solid, quite aggressive from late position, not raising EVERY time its folded to him, but a decent amount. Sadly no reads on the SB.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO (t32333)
Button (t26112)
SB (t31197)
Hero (t54838)
UTG (t33310)
UTG+1 (t55130)
MP1 (t32800)
MP2 (t28687)
MP3 (t14254)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
6 folds, Button raises to t4800, SB raises to t31122, Hero??????

rockin · #2 01-20-2006, 12:58 PM

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Fairly deep in the 3r, i forget if we are ITM yet, i doubt it - but its pretty close. Button is pretty solid, quite aggressive from late position, not raising EVERY time its folded to him, but a decent amount. Sadly no reads on the SB.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO (t32333)
Button (t26112)
SB (t31197)
Hero (t54838)
UTG (t33310)
UTG+1 (t55130)
MP1 (t32800)
MP2 (t28687)
MP3 (t14254)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
6 folds, Button raises to t4800, SB raises to t31122, Hero??????

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fold. don't mind coming in behind a raiser, but now he has been re-raised. This usually (not always) signifies a monster.

edit: On second thought, i still fold, but it's a little closer than i first thought, he does have a shortish stack and could just be trying to isolate or to resteal with a marginal hand. His M is about 10.

Dave D · #3 01-20-2006, 01:00 PM

Wow, this is really rough, I have no idea what to do here. I think my gut says call as it looks like SB is trying to put a move on button, but its only Tens...

I think I push JJ-AA/AK here. Tens feel just on the wrong side to push here, but I'm really not sure.

runout_mick · #4 01-20-2006, 01:01 PM

Wow, this sucks. Sb's range is pretty huge, and a push is likely in order, but I fold. I just HATE calling with tens.

Pushing with tens, fine. Calling just makes me sick.

Edit: You have no reads on sb? If this is because he is new to the table, this is an easy fold for me. If he's new, he has no indication of buttons aggro ways, and this tightens up his range considerably.

TwistedEcho · #5 01-20-2006, 01:02 PM

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fold. don't mind coming in behind a raiser, but now he has been re-raised. This usually (not always) signifies a monster.

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A read makes this one much easier, but this isn't utg raising, MP reraising - its a button raise (which probably could be any two, its at least 70% of his hands) and the sb who i'd imagine realises this shoving.

Thing is, if im the SB, TT is way ahead of my range and its a pretty easy call (even for the times the button/sb pickup a real hand). However - i don't know if the sb is capable of pushing with air... Damn i should play less tournaments and get better reads [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

CybrPunk · #6 01-20-2006, 01:04 PM

I think it's close here due to the fact that the button has been fairly aggressive and the SB could potentially have a wide range here thinking exactly that. Vs. tricky opponents I might say to push it in here hoping to catch the SB on a resteal but with no read on the SB you could probably lean towards a fold.

stevepa · #7 01-20-2006, 01:05 PM

Assuming a fairly normal button and sb I'm pretty damn sure this is an easy call. Button's range is obviously huge, SB's range should be fairly wide. Also, AA/KK are probably a little less likely since so many would just call or reraise smaller.

Steve

geestyle · #8 01-20-2006, 01:10 PM

Fold, kiss your 1600 happily goodbye. Difficult to put the SB on a hand here with the info you've got, maybe 2 overcards (JK, JQ?)or Ax. The BB isn't really under pressure with 800 committed. The facts here - button raises 3xBB, BB goes all-in. Initial raise might be a steal attempt but could be a legit hand and with the all-in from the BB i suspect 1 of them has a strong hand which, against potentially 2 hands, puts you in bad shape. Your pot odds are terrible so wait for a better opportunity to gamble.

TwistedEcho · #9 01-20-2006, 01:12 PM

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You have no reads on sb? If this is because he is new to the table, this is an easy fold for me. If he's new, he has no indication of buttons aggro ways, and this tightens up his range considerably.

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No if he paid attention he realises how often the button has raised. No reads because hes done nothing unusual, and im playing too many other tournaments.

TwistedEcho · #10 01-20-2006, 01:16 PM

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Fold, kiss your 1600 happily goodbye. Difficult to put the SB on a hand here with the info you've got, maybe 2 overcards (JK, JQ?)or Ax. The BB isn't really under pressure with 800 committed. The facts here - button raises 3xBB, BB goes all-in. Initial raise might be a steal attempt but could be a legit hand and with the all-in from the BB i suspect 1 of them has a strong hand which, against potentially 2 hands, puts you in bad shape. Your pot odds are terrible so wait for a better opportunity to gamble.

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Oh come one, lets have some real discussion here. Thats just so weak minded its painful to read. You really assume a monster from a button raise and SB shove? I hope your sitting in the BB everytime i push 78h vs an aggro button.

If we ignore the button for now, as i think if we push, he folds most of the time anyway - we need to put sb on a pretty tight range to make this a fold. AT+, 88+, KQ is basically a coinflip, and with an overlay thats good yes?