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Old 07-15-2006, 09:41 AM
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Default Getting knocked around & a turn donk

Playing 50-100 6 max and this one guy is getting me good. Initially he had a few suckouts and won with hands that I had dominated, but it's tilted me a little bit and now he's just flat outplaying me. I'm doing that thing where I call down because I can't believe I've been beaten again. He knows this and is value betting the hell out of me. My image is the desperate loser. Villian will push any pair and draw hard on the flop, but isn't making wild bluffs.

Anyway, I raise A-9o from th HJ and he 3 bets on the button. He doesn't need a premium hand to do this, but he won't do it with trashy trash either. I call.

Flop is QJ9 two tone. I check and call.

Turn is some low offsuit brick and I donk intending to fold to a raise. I'll bet a safe river.
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Old 07-15-2006, 01:49 PM
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Default Re: Getting knocked around & a turn donk

I really dont like this bet. Other then specifically A10 no hands your ahead of will take a free card here that have many outs. And he may bluff raise you with this hand. I think you make more vs pocket pairs lower then 9 by check calling and betting the river if it gets checked through. Given you description I would also fold to a river bet.
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Old 07-15-2006, 09:28 PM
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Default Re: Getting knocked around & a turn donk

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it's tilted me a little bit

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Leave the table and get your [censored] together. This is the most important aspect of the hand/your post.

Preflop: Looks good.

PostFlop: Interesting spot... I hope some other posters chime in on this. Anyway, I think the board is too drawheavy to check/raise and the pot is too big to fold. I think your best option is to probably play the hand as you described. I wouldn't want to check the turn and let your opponent take a free card on such a draw-heavy board. I'd prefer betting the flop if your opponent were more passive, but given your description of your opponent I think you are too likely to get raised for this play to be optimal.

Just my opinion...
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Old 07-15-2006, 09:38 PM
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Default Re: Getting knocked around & a turn donk

Intersting question. He anticipates that you're calling down, so he's going to play nearly perfectly against you if you do (although if the river bricks your hand is probably on the high end of his range for you, so you might "induce a value bet" from a hand you can beat some fraction of the time). So to thwart this, you have to do something different than call down.

Donking does have its merits - he's unlikely to semibluff raise you since that would be spewing against your image, and he'll probably call down with AK or AT UI - but I think I prefer check/call - check/fold (or bet river bricks if he checks through the turn). Sometimes you'll be folding the best hand to a ballsy AK vb, but he's less likely than normal to try to bluff you on both streets.

EDIT: Given your image, if he takes a free card, he's almost definitely calling a river bet UI. And you'll be able to tell if you want to bet the river, so I'm not so worried about a free card.
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Old 07-16-2006, 10:51 PM
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Leave the table and get your [censored] together. This is the most important aspect of the hand/your post.

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Good point, and I thought of that, but isn't there something to be said for sticking it out and playing through it? Doesn't that make you better? I dunno.
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Old 07-16-2006, 10:53 PM
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He anticipates that you're calling down, so he's going to play nearly perfectly against you if you do. So to thwart this, you have to do something different than call down.

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That's kind of what I was thinking. I couldn't bear to call down again and lose, but if I was ahead he was going to check. I figured he might look me up with A high since I looked like a loser at the time.
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