ughh: AA gets four flushed

[jba]

bb is 72/30/2 lag
utg is unknown


Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Button folds.

Flop: (7 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (11 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks(?), BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds?


PS: i dunno if you guys are playing right now but I'm pretty sure party is doing some kind of special olympics promo today.

[Nick C]

Hell if I know what's best here. But it looks like UTG either has been drawing or he's being stubborn with Qx or something (and of course a combination of those things is possible as well, but that doesn't help us).

Is he all of a sudden betting Qx now that the obvious draw hit? The checks were an invitation to bluff, I guess, but he's got two opponents, and I doubt he's bluffing all that often -- partly because frequently he's going to have just made his hand instead.

Still, 12:1. Those are pretty good odds to turn down. Ugh. I don't know.

[suited89]

Would bet/fold be a possibility on the river?

[Nick C]

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Would bet/fold be a possibility on the river?

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It's a thought.

There's something to be said for checking and looking at the action, too.

One problem with betting is this: If the big LAG raises and the other guy folds, we're probably beat, but I think we have to call.

[BigBadBabar]

check call the river?

bbb

[jba]

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Would bet/fold be a possibility on the river?

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It's a thought.

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yeah.. this could easily be the best answer but I still dont know. I feel like lag would have capped flop with decent spade.

[raytownloc]

I would say check/call is better than bet/fold, but it looks like your beat here. Postflop I like waiting till the turn to raise this hand (check/call the flop, check/raise the turn), and here is why...

1. You are not folding any high four flushes, no matter how many bets you put in on the flop.

2. The turn bet is twice the size.

3. Your pot equity edge is twice the size on the turn when a safe card hits, assuming that no one flopped a flush.

4. Your turn raise looks more like a flopped flush, which might induce a Ts or a Js to fold, thinking that you have AsXs or some very strong holding.