Live Tells

[GeeseHoward]

Hello,

I am sure this has been discussed a thousand times and I am sorry in advance. I play $2 / $4 in the casinos and mainly at 9 seater tables. The tables are very lose so I tend to play tight agresive.

I'm making a few hundred a night, but I feel I could be making more if I worked on catching people with weak middle pairs or bluffing.

I don't want any kids posting any responses, just people with some good background game. So when you reply please leave infomation of the stakes you play and how long you have been playing.

Much appreciated.

Be Realistic, be a Drinker - Oliver Cross (http://eDrinker.com)

[Dan.]

Because it's impossible for "kids" to know anything about tells...*eye roll*

[GeeseHoward]

I want experience, I don't want Ernie and Bert playing poker in the bath.

Don't post if you have nothing of any use.

Be Realistic, be a Drinker - Oliver Cross (http://eDrinker.com)

[ZPinhead]

Here's something to consider. At those small stakes levels you're gonna have a lot of players thrashing and splashing. It's pretty tough to get a read on someone that doesn't know the value of their own hand. In the same way that it is pretty hard to bluff an idiot.

[GeeseHoward]

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Here's something to consider. At those small stakes levels you're gonna have a lot of players thrashing and splashing. It's pretty tough to get a read on someone that doesn't know the value of their own hand. In the same way that it is pretty hard to bluff an idiot.

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I understand and your correct is very relevent to the game. When I started I made a lot of money but then they realised I was charging them $10 - $20 to see a flop and if they don't hit they don't play.

However more recently they have bet in to me and shown their bluff to prove to the other players they have beaten me. I want to read that player's bet but I want an archive of tells.

[Moose747]

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I want experience, I don't want Ernie and Bert playing poker in the bath.


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While Ernie's a bit of a maniac, Bert is a very good tight-aggressive player who's very good at picking up tells. How do you think Oscar lost his bankroll?

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Don't post if you have nothing of any use.


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Whoops.

[meandi]

If you're referring to 2/4 limit, then tells aren't going to really improve your winnings. I used to put in between 30 and 40 hours a week playing 3/6 at a casino in Washington with pretty good success (I don't have any numbers to prove this, however, due to moving cross country multiple times, as well as never keeping very detailed records to begin with), and physical tells didn't really factor in all that much. It was more like online play, where you pay attention to betting habits. Betting into a preflop raiser meant top pair. Betting into the pf raiser again on the turn probably meant at least two pair or better. Quick calls indicated draws; hesitant calls were usually mid-pair or worse. This isn't 100% true all the time, but more often than not it held true.

Now if you're referring to 2/4 no limit, I wish I could help you, but I haven't played in games like that often enough to really comment or offer advice.

[AlanBostick]

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I don't want any kids posting any responses, just people with some good background game. So when you reply please leave infomation of the stakes you play and how long you have been playing.

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I'd give you a serious response, but, with only three posts to your credit, you have no reputation capital.

[Dan.]

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I don't want any kids posting any responses, just people with some good background game. So when you reply please leave infomation of the stakes you play and how long you have been playing.

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I'd give you a serious response, but, with only three posts to your credit, you have no reputation capital.

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My thoughts exactly.

[CurryLover]

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I don't want any kids posting any responses, just people with some good background game. So when you reply please leave infomation of the stakes you play and how long you have been playing.

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Do you want to be any more offensive in one of your first posts on this forum? Many of the 'kids' who post on here earn stupid amounts of money playing poker, play much higher stakes than you, and are absolutely fantastic players with great understanding of the game. They may be only teenagers, or in their early 20s, but they can still play. I am, in comparison, an old fogey. And I don't win a fortune playing poker. But I still found your 'requirements' for those who wanted to respond to be, well, rude I guess.

In answer to your question (notice that nobody has bothered to answer you yet - wonder why?) - there are various generic tells to look out for when people are bluffing or betting marginal hands. These include the obvious one of throwing chips into the pot 'with gusto' - often a sign of a relatively weak hand subconciously feigning strength. There are many others obviously. The classic book on tells is Mike Caro's Book of Tells. It is an essential read if you've not done any work on tells before, and is worth buying for the amusing 70s photos alone.

By the way:
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I play $2 / $4... I'm making a few hundred a night

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If you're playing 2-4 Limit then you're NOT making a few hundred a night. You might have done so for the last few weeks or even last few months, but that is just short term variance. The best players in the world would struggle to make 50BBs on average in an 10 hour session of low limit poker. If you're talking about 2-4 NL then that is different and your claim is far more plausible.