Overcall this river?

Jaran · #1 06-25-2006, 12:37 PM

So, this table was sweet. Lots of cold calling, no matter how many bets, people calling down with bottom pair, a raise meant betting hard 'til the river, even with air. Really great table. Specific reads on the players in this hand: UTG seemed solid, just a tad loose pf, but played well post. MP2 was overaggressive pre and postflop, would bet 2nd pr/underpocket like the nuts. CO was your basic lpp, with a heavy emphasis on the loose part. My main question is about the river, but as always, I would appreciate comments on the rest of the hand.

-Jaran

Fulltilt Poker 9 handed
Hero is in MP1 with (A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img])
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, MP2 3bets, 1 fold, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls

Flop (13sb)
8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, UTG calls, Hero calls

Turn (8 bb)
3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, UTG calls, Hero calls

River (12 bb)
A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, UTG calls, Hero...

threads13 · #2 06-25-2006, 01:36 PM

I think I would have to lay this one down on the river.

GrandmaStabone · #3 06-25-2006, 01:37 PM

I was on a similar table last night, and will be posting some hands from it. It is interesting how your opponents tendencies can drastically alter your "correct strategy" a lot of the time. The standard play here is probably to fold. However, in this case, you have a player who could be betting nearly ANYTHING here, and another player calling with anything. UTG is the only one you should have to worry about, but he most likely sees the same thing you do in MP2 and CO and is calling knowing a lot of hands are good here. Closing the action against these players - this is a call for me. I made a lot of money last night calling in similar situations.

maniacut · #4 06-25-2006, 03:03 PM

why are you guys folding? we peeled the turn with our Q outs but certainly our A can be good here 1 in 15 times. am i way off?

OnePatheticLoser · #5 06-25-2006, 03:35 PM

given your read i would raise

MacGuyV · #6 06-25-2006, 03:37 PM

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why are you guys folding? we peeled the turn with our Q outs but certainly our A can be good here 1 in 15 times. am i way off?

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No, very easy call IMO.

threads13 · #7 06-25-2006, 04:18 PM

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why are you guys folding? we peeled the turn with our Q outs but certainly our A can be good here 1 in 15 times. am i way off?

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No, very easy call IMO.

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Perhaps this a reason why my WSD% is low! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

HouseCalls · #8 06-25-2006, 04:36 PM

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given your read i would call

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With this board and so many opponents I would hate to be re-raised so its just a call for me.

Shalara · #9 06-25-2006, 05:32 PM

I'll take a stab at this [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Hmm, torn between calling and raising. While typing this out, I've waffled between the two a gazillion times.

I favor raising--seems like if UTG made anything significant (like a straight or 2 pr), he would have c/rd here, knowing MP2 would bet and CO would call, and you haven't shown any strength post-flop, maybe you have something like Ax or an underpair.

The other two I consider a raise for value, as it sounds like MP2 will happily cap with anything, and CO will call it. I think I'll win more than a third of the time against those two.

I'm not so sure I would call the turn there though. I guess I'm not really comfortable with the A outs at this point, and one of the Qs might be tainted.

Interesting hand. What did you do? How'd it come out?

Jaran · #10 06-25-2006, 05:52 PM

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I'll take a stab at this [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Hmm, torn between calling and raising. While typing this out, I've waffled between the two a gazillion times.

I favor raising--seems like if UTG made anything significant (like a straight or 2 pr), he would have c/rd here, knowing MP2 would bet and CO would call, and you haven't shown any strength post-flop, maybe you have something like Ax or an underpair.

The other two I consider a raise for value, as it sounds like MP2 will happily cap with anything, and CO will call it. I think I'll win more than a third of the time against those two.

I'm not so sure I would call the turn there though. I guess I'm not really comfortable with the A outs at this point, and one of the Qs might be tainted.

Interesting hand. What did you do? How'd it come out?

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On the turn, I gave myself 3.5 Q outs and 1+ A out, so wth the pot laying me 11:1, I called.

When the A fell on the river and it was a bet and two calls to me, I took almost the entire time trying to decide what to do. I froze up. I couldn't see any possible way that a pr of A's would win. I folded.

MP2 99, CO T4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ([img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]), UTG KJo.

I suck at poker [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

-Jaran