rivered a boat 3 way

B Buddy · #1 06-12-2006, 01:53 AM

Last hand - SB is Newbie 1 - a good aggresive player (a lizard - big winner in the game). I'm sure I am ahead of the BB on the river - he is also a good aggressive player. The game has not been playing all that fast. River play?

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $2671.50
Button: $1940
SB: $1898
BB: $2770.01

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $69, Button folds, SB raises to $230, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($690, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($690, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($690, 3 players)
SB bets $275, BB calls,

FoxwoodsFiend · #2 06-12-2006, 01:54 AM

I would probably make it 800 and fold to a raise against newble here.

raptor517 · #3 06-12-2006, 02:24 AM

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I would probably make it 800 and fold to a raise against newble here.

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i like. holla

meanjean · #4 06-12-2006, 08:37 AM

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I would probably make it 800 and fold to a raise against newble here.

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I don't understand. Why would you want to raise if your only going to fold to a reraise?

edge · #5 06-12-2006, 08:51 AM

Because a flush pays off a raise and 88/JJ pushes over the top. An all-in bluff over top would be very rare because the BB calling means your raise is less likely to be a bluff. It's also possible that SB holds AA/KK/QQ, although that would be a strange way to play it and he may not pay off a raise with an overpair.

That said, Hero has a full house facing a less-than-1/2-pot bet and a call with no reason to fear being behind. Raise it up and see if anyone gets weird. B Buddy's image means that he'll get some very sketchy calls.

nation · #6 06-12-2006, 11:08 AM

Wow, I don't see how I'm not going broke here everytime even if I do get reraised all in. Is this just metagame where its an easy fold or something? Don't the villains ever play back all in to prevent squeeze plays? Maybe this is just a big leak in my game or something but it's goddamn tough to fold to a reraise here.

Jeff W · #7 06-12-2006, 11:12 AM

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Because a flush pays off a raise and 88/JJ pushes over the top.

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I don't see how either opponent can have JJ/88/22. Sure, good players sometimes play deceptively, but checking down to the river and then either betting 40% of the pot or calling a 40% pot bet is an impossible way to play a monster. That said, I think you never get reraised all in here anyway.

KRANTZ · #8 06-12-2006, 11:19 AM

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Because a flush pays off a raise and 88/JJ pushes over the top.

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I don't see how either opponent can have JJ/88/22. Sure, good players sometimes play deceptively, but checking down to the river and then either betting 40% of the pot or calling a 40% pot bet is an impossible way to play a monster. That said, I think you never get reraised all in here anyway.

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I don't see how OP can have those hands either, which is why if villain is as good as everyone thinks he is, buddy should make it 800 and CALL a push

KRANTZ · #9 06-12-2006, 11:22 AM

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An all-in bluff over top would be very rare because the BB calling means your raise is less likely to be a bluff.

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not so- the BB's call indicates a hand with some marginal level of showdown value. if you were going to run a bluff, neither player should be worried about the BB

edge · #10 06-12-2006, 11:34 AM

Although that may be true, river squeezes are incredibly rare. I don't think I've ever seen one. As for JJ/88, I could see Newbie playing them like this simply because Buddy is the villain. I have played a decent amount against Buddy, and he preys on weakness, so some amount of sandbagging is necessary to balance things out.

I just don't see SB running a bluff over the top after a raise from Hero's spot, and pushing AA/KK/QQ would be suicide. The only hand that SB could do this weak lead and then push, while still losing to 55, would be the nut flush hoping for a call from a weaker flush, and that's really poking at a thin line.