Is this a fold?

[JMa]

At the time this seemed like an autocall, but im having second thougts.

Stacks are about $2k deep, 10/20 6-max. Villain is a pretty solid regular.

I open in CO for $60 with KsJh, button and SB calls.

Flop is Jd Ts 2d. I bet 170 (pot is 200), they both call.

The turn is Kh. SB checks, I bet $700 (pot is 710), button folds and SB shoves. It is about $1k to me, giving me 3-1.

Is this a fold and if so, should I check or bet less on the turn?

[CanIPlay]

NO, getting over 2-1, it is 6 max and you can suckout with a big FH.

[BluffTHIS!]

You aren't getting sufficient odds to fill and have to think he's doing this with a worse hand/split enough to justify a call. So I would probably fold against that player, especially since he is doing it with another player yet to act. And although I wouldn't like it, I would usually check behind on the turn against more than one player.

[flawless_victory]

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NO, getting over 3:1 , it is 6 max and you can suckout with a big FH.

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dont bet 700 on turn then fold, that is so bad.

[Jeff W]

I'd call and checking turn seems crazy to me, esp on a draw heavy board like this. I'm having a hard time putting him on a hand range, but the only hands that beat you are KK(1 combo), JJ(1 combo), TT(3 combos), 22(3 combos) and it's strange that a solid regular would slowplay those to the turn on a draw heavy flop like that.

[leemur]

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I'd call and checking turn seems crazy to me, esp on a draw heavy board like this. I'm having a hard time putting him on a hand range, but the only hands that beat you are KK(1 combo), JJ(1 combo), TT(3 combos), 22(3 combos) and it's strange that a solid regular would slowplay those to the turn on a draw heavy flop like that.

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Q9s beats em and I think is very likely.

missed the part about him being solid so may not be in there w/ that

[Jeff W]

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I'd call and checking turn seems crazy to me, esp on a draw heavy board like this. I'm having a hard time putting him on a hand range, but the only hands that beat you are KK(1 combo), JJ(1 combo), TT(3 combos), 22(3 combos) and it's strange that a solid regular would slowplay those to the turn on a draw heavy flop like that.

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Q9s beats em and I think is very likely.

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Oops, yeah depends how "solid" he is, I think most tight players will muck that pre flop. AdQd is possible also.

[MDMA]

If he really is a solid regular (TAGish) I don't except him to have Q9 in sb here most of the time. I don't like a check behind here at all, but I'd definately bet smaller, probably like ~550 to make it easier for people to put a move on you since you look less comitted. You'd obviously bet something like that with AA/AK here for example, right, so it doesn't make sense to bet 700. If you'd bet 700 with those holdings as well it makes sense, but then I'd suggest you chance that as well, and I don't really think you do.

As played, I call. Not buying him c/c:ing flop with a set when button cold called, so he'd have to have exactly Q9 to beat me, or some lame passively played AQdd. And, given his image/stats, as already stated, I don't think he's gonna have q9, based on preflop action, a whole lot. He could just as easily have some passively played KQ or a passively played K-high flushdraw just as well.

[schundler]

Even though he's a solid tag, I think his range is pretty wide here, at least wide enough to justify a call with 3-1 odds.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think there's a decent possibilty he has two diamonds + a pair here. He no longer has any kind of odds, pot or implied, with your 700 bet into the 710 pot on the turn where he has ~1100 left behind, and may want to get his now vulnerable flush draw + pair all-in while he still has a card to come.

Is it possible he has KQ? OESD on the flop, puts you on a Jack, maybe AJ, and then thinks he has the best hand on the turn?

KT is unlikely, as are other two-pair hands like JT... most solid tags aren't just check-calling on the flop in a 3-way hand with a JT2 board with a flush draw out there, right?

As was mentioned, he can have Q9 for a straight, and a set of tens or twos beats you of course. But even if he does have Q9, TT, 22, you still have 6 outs as was mentioned earlier.

I think with the odds given to you here you have to call, and getting stacked with Q9, TT, 22 or some combo of a flush draw and made hand hitting on the river is just the price of doing business.

[creedofhubris]

Sometimes he's gonna have AK, KQ, or diamonds with a pair or straight draw, and that's gonna make your call worthwhile.

Remember, you only need to be ahead a little more than 1/4 of the time to make this +EV. Can't fold here getting 3:1.