20k foot view of school shooting

[PLOlover]

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Australian gun laws has no effect on murder rate

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Regardless, the total number of gun deaths by both homicide and suicide has dropped in Australia since the tougher laws went into effect. At the very least this argues against those who say guns stop more killings in self-defense than they cause in the hands of criminals. If this was true then the death rates should have gone up once guns became harder to get for law-abiding citizens.

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you realize the studies are comparing apples and oranges. The pro-self defense point of view looks at all murders, the anti-gun crowd looks at "gun deaths".
Obviously you can have a case where "gun deaths" go way down but murders go way up. No one is arguing that if all guns disappeared "gun deaths" would go way down. I hope you see the difference.

[latefordinner]

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I guess the most obvious answer would be because there isn't, just look at Switzerland.

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Switzerland is a bit of a unique case though - there is a high gun ownership (because the State pretty much gives all males assault rifles) but in many parts of the country it is very difficult to get carry-permits.

[JOHNY CA$H]

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On another note, why the hell are we selling anti-depressants that make ppl homicidal?

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Who's we? Are you selling them? I'm not.

If you mean "pharmcos", well, the FDA gave them a thumbs up, what more could you want!?

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Um... anti- depressants that don't make ppl want to kill. That'd be pretty sweet, actually.

[iron81]

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Another thread about SSRIs was locked - is this in acceptable subject to talk about here?

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The locked thread was a little trollish. Also, whether a drug causes people to be homicidal isn't really a political topic. A more thoughtful post in SMP might be better.

[PLOlover]

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heck the last time there was a uni shooting in virginia I think it was, a student or a couple of students stopped it. as soon as the "crazed" gunman was confronted by a nonvictim with a gun he gave up.



references pls/thanks

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=26458
"We exited out the back stairwell of our building. As I exited, that day I was running a little late, so I did park in a faculty parking spot, which put my vehicle between me and the shooter. We saw him in the front yard there. I stopped at my vehicle and got my handgun out.

"As we approached Peter, I started giving him a lot of verbal commands. ... I told him to drop his weapon, to get on the ground. ... His back was to us, and once he turned around and saw that I had a weapon, he laid his weapon down and stuck his hands in the air. At that time we approached him, and there was somewhat of a struggle, but we took him to the ground and handcuffed him until the authorities got there."

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PLOlover, you'll find isolated stories speaking for both sides here. It doesn't prove anything.

[PLOlover]

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PLOlover, you'll find isolated stories speaking for both sides here. It doesn't prove anything.

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I'm glad you agree that the current tragedy shouldn't prompt the anti-freedom forces to call for gun bans.

[hmkpoker]

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Another thread about SSRIs was locked - is this in acceptable subject to talk about here?

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The locked thread was a little trollish. Also, whether a drug causes people to be homicidal isn't really a political topic. A more thoughtful post in SMP might be better.

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It is trollish, but it does illustrate a logical fallacy very, very well. People think that any A correlated with any B means that A causes B. However, it could also be that a cause X is causing both A and B, and that A and B have little or no causal relationship. For example, hard work and sound investing is likely to lead someone to an early, happy retirement and financial independence. It's also quite likely to lead someone to owning a gold watch. The correlation between rolex ownership and financial independence must be strong, but no one is going to become financially free owning a gold watch.

SSRI's don't cause homocidal mania. Depression does. And depression also makes SSRI consumption more likely, QED.

[PLOlover]

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SSRI's don't cause homocidal mania. Depression does. And depression also makes SSRI consumption more likely, QED.

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1) All or almost all of these shooters have been on SSRI.
2) The UK has legally banned SSRI for children under 18 because of the scientific evidence that it causes suicide/homocide.

You can draw your own conclusions.

[pvn]

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SSRI's don't cause homocidal mania. Depression does. And depression also makes SSRI consumption more likely, QED.

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1) All or almost all of these shooters have been on SSRI.

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All or almost all of these shooters were wearing shoes.