yellowsub throws a sick min-raise my way

[MrTeddyKGB]

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I've always hated "take a marginal hand in a vacuum and analyze it." Only a 12 tabling hudbot has no reads. Reads are poker. You take what pertinent knowledge you have about a player and you apply it a new and different situations. That's why Player A can read the same books and posts, use the same preflop strategy as Player B and be better than player B.

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You would need to see him play this situation 1000's of times to know how he plays these situations? I am courios what type of reads you guys have on people. (He only min-rasies flush draws on paired boards on thursdays?)
So few hands with this action make it to showdown. Of the hands that do they are weighted towards his stronger hands. How much do you change your plays vs specific opp and how do you know your "read" is right.

[MTBlue]

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I've always hated "take a marginal hand in a vacuum and analyze it." Only a 12 tabling hudbot has no reads. Reads are poker. You take what pertinent knowledge you have about a player and you apply it a new and different situations. That's why Player A can read the same books and posts, use the same preflop strategy as Player B and be better than player B.

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You would need to see him play this situation 1000's of times to know how he plays these situations? I am courios what type of reads you guys have on people. (He only min-rasies flush draws on paired boards on thursdays?)
So few hands with this action make it to showdown. Of the hands that do they are weighted towards his stronger hands. How much do you change your plays vs specific opp and how do you know your "read" is right.

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You never really do. Its more of an induction exercise. I've seen him play x hand in a spot similar to this and understand that his general thought process for most situations so I think he will do X here. And if you play with a guy enough most people get predictable in their bluffing frequencies. I think this guy is irritated and will play back at me in X spot. Watch Rekrul play headsup sometime. This is his basic thought process.

Note: Doesn't work against a bookish tag worth a damn.

[LegallyBlind]

if sub wants to post the results he can. i never really asked him about posting his name in this thread, so i don't feel right posting what he had. i'll just say that he did call and the river was not a diamond.

looking back, i dont think folding the flop is exploiatable, at least when there is no history between us. I dunno though, it was like the perfect raise against my hand, like mtblue said, every option sucks (especially if he bluffs on the turn with a shove and i fold).

Maybe checking on the flop is something i need to work into my game. But when i raise oop, firing on a dryish K hi flop is like automatic, regardless of my hand, maybe thats a bad thing.

also this hand has made me examine some parts of my game, and i think in that respect its not a "bad hand to post". Just because there is no standard answer or whatever isnt that important, IMO. I didn't post this hand to get "solved", i posted it to get a lot of different and interesting feedback, and i think i did.

[yellowsub]

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tell me what happened

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POKERSTARS GAME #8696571646: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/03/02 - 01:52:01 (ET)
Table 'Gienah IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 4: bingotnght ($769.25 in chips)
Seat 5: yellowsub86 ($600 in chips)
Seat 6: LegallyBlind ($694 in chips)
LegallyBlind: posts small blind $3
WiltOnTilt: is sitting out
bingotnght: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to yellowsub86 [As Ah]
WiltOnTilt leaves the table
yellowsub86: raises $18 to $24
LegallyBlind: raises $60 to $84
bingotnght: folds
yellowsub86: calls $60
*** FLOP *** [3s Kd 8s]
LegallyBlind: bets $120
yellowsub86: raises $120 to $240
LegallyBlind: calls $120
*** TURN *** [3s Kd 8s] [Jd]
LegallyBlind: bets $370 and is all-in
yellowsub86: calls $276 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [3s Kd 8s Jd] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LegallyBlind: shows [Ad 8d] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
yellowsub86: shows [As Ah] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
yellowsub86 collected $1205 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1206 | Rake $1
Board [3s Kd 8s Jd Jh]
Seat 4: bingotnght (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: yellowsub86 (button) showed [As Ah] and won ($1205) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 6: LegallyBlind (small blind) showed [Ad 8d] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Eights

[LegallyBlind]

i just dont know how you can call the turn with that cheese. im ovbviously repping something HUUUUGE!!!

[yellowsub]

if it were still february, i would have honored national slow-roll month, but since its march, you got lucky

[Ansky]

LegallyBlind asked me to explain my post over PM, I thought I'd write what I wrote him here:


Basically, there are certain situations in which it really doesnt matter what you have, and this is one of them. Sub is doing one of two things in this hand. He is raising to make you fold air/ pocket pairs<QQ, or he has a huge hand and wnats you to 3 bet shove/bluff. It is never anything else, that is all. For you to ask the forum is a bit silly imo, cause its hard to beleive anyone can understand what sub is doing better than someone at the table. Truth be told, I prob understood better than most because I am friends w/ jeff and I have a lot of experience playing vs him at 25/50 and 10/20. I talk a lot of poker with him as well, and I had a feeling that he was just min raising to induce a shove. I really didn't want to post that in the thread because I dont think there should be a thread that is essentially for dissecting a 2+2ers game like that. Not right imo.

[ginko]

A minraise is usually a big hand, because it NEVER gets respect. The only time you can minraise bluff, is when you know how your opponent will respond to it.

Once he minraises the flop, he has AK / AA / KK most of the time. You outplayed yourself in this hand.