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#51
02-14-2007, 12:37 PM
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Re: Most unbeatable record
there's more and more offense in baseball these days allowing more plate-appearances per season for an individual player.
I don't think Rose's record is completely untouchable. The beginning of Rose's career, when he got quite a few of those hits, came in the 60's when pitching was a bit more dominant. 
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#53
02-14-2007, 01:07 PM
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Re: Most unbeatable record
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but wasn't Gretzky MVP of the NHL his first nine seasons as a pro, or something? No one in sports has ever come close to doing anything like that, I don't think. [/ QUOTE ] he won his first 8, and 9/10, but others have done things that are surprisingly close. Kareem won 5 out of his first 8, Bill Russell 5 out 9. Russell might have come close had he not played at the same time as Wilt, who won 4 during the same time. the reverse is probably also true.
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#54
02-14-2007, 03:46 PM
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Yeah, but average 200 hits for 21 seasons and you're still short! [/ QUOTE ] Correct. But, as mentioned earlier, with better conditioning and nutrition I think we are going to see more and more players lasting as long as a Julio Franco type of player. It still won't be that common of course. Just not quite as rare as it is today. So the kind of player who can SOMEHOW perhaps get to 3400 or 3500 hits by 39 or 40 might still have a shot. It helps if they have the mentality/smarts of a Franco or Rose where they are something of a player/coach or even an official player/manager. Rose debuted when he was 22 and played until he was 45. He also walked a pretty fair amount. Top 10 in NL in BB's 7 times. 12th all-time with 1566. So you get a guy who plays from 21-47-ish. And who swings/bunts more and walks a little less like an Ichiro-type player. Also looking at a guy like Tony Gwynn who obviously put on weight and had significantly less speed in the last years of his career. How many more hits could he have had with better speed and staying healthier? He played until he was 41, but he only played 36 games in 2000 and 71 games in 2001. From 92 on he played 130+ games only 2x. And he STILL got to 3000 hits by 39. A Gwynn type hitter with less speed deterioration and better health could give it a run. Again - I'm not saying it would be easy. But I don't think it's so completely far-fetched as others might.
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#56
02-14-2007, 06:01 PM
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Hockey fans confirm, but wasn't Gretzky MVP of the NHL his first nine seasons as a pro, or something? [/ QUOTE ] He was MVP his first 8 years in the NHL, then won one more. Pretty amazing. Even if oneone argues that Jordan deserved more MVPs than he actually won, I still don't think you can get to 9 and certainly not his first 9 years in the league. Tiger Woods has been PGA Player of the Year 7 times, but they weren't consecutive.
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#57
02-14-2007, 07:23 PM
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Career pitching wins and losses records are so unbreakable it's almost not even worth discussing. What's more interesting are single season records. What's the most unbreakable single season record? Wilt's 50.4 ppg? Wilt's 27.2 rpg? Gretzky's 92 goals? Gretzky's 163 assists? Gretzky's 215 points? [/ QUOTE ] 163 assists. Gretzky's taking that one to his grave and beyond. 2 assists a game is unreal. And this one's a career record that only the non-US sports fans on here, with rare exceptions, will care about, but Sir Donald Bradman's 99.9 career batting average in Test cricket is gonna take some breaking, considering no one else in the history of the sport is over about 61. --Scott
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#58
02-14-2007, 07:37 PM
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Re: Most unbeatable record
yes, it's unreal.
not quite necessarily on taking it to his grave. Although I don't expect to see it fall in my lifetime I wouldn't guarantee it. NHL scoring is up a little due to rule changes. But it may continue to rise. Wouldn't be surprised for some fast-paced offense to end up with 5+ goals per game in a season someday. So somebody on a team like that could end up with a ton of assists. Crosby, as young as he is, is alreay over 1 ast per game on a team that is really good and improving, but not incredible.
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#59
02-14-2007, 08:11 PM
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Re: Most unbeatable record
I would've said Wilt's 100 pts but after seeing Kobe get 82pts last year vs the pathetic raptors blew my titties away. So it's not that impossible. At the same time Wilt was a monster for his time that just dominated the court.
I'll have to say Gretzky's record can never be broken. Now with the salary cap in place, we'll probably never see another team like Gretzky's Oilers. That team was ridiculous.
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02-14-2007, 08:52 PM
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Re: Most unbeatable record
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Career pitching wins and losses records are so unbreakable it's almost not even worth discussing. What's more interesting are single season records. What's the most unbreakable single season record? Wilt's 50.4 ppg? Wilt's 27.2 rpg? Gretzky's 92 goals? Gretzky's 163 assists? Gretzky's 215 points? [/ QUOTE ] Wilt's 48.1 mins/game for a season is pretty damn unbreakable. As his career # of games he fouled out = zero. Hack Wilson's 190 RBIs has not been touched. A couple of NL pitchers have hit 2 HRs in an inning. Guys used to throw 40+ CGs in a season regularly. Oscar averaging a triple double. Need to average a quad double to beat that.
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