why veganmav is vegan

[veganmav]

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Excellent job making up preposterous statistics to support your wacky-ass point of view.

What about meat that you find that's already in the trash? OK to eat that? I mean hell, it's already in the trash!

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Yes it's fine to eat meat that's already in the trash as it is not supporting the industry.

#2. Look up the statistics yourself if you don't believe me. I didn't cite on purpose, so that you could research yourself.

[yellowdoyle]

Hi veganmav,

You have made some good points in here. A couple others have as well, especially regarding who bears the cost of environmental damages and how unbelievable (though perhaps credible) numbers can actually dissuade people from joining a cause/movement.

I have been vegetarian for nearly a year now, and have nearly switched to being completely vegan. I plan to in the future, but right now am still getting my diet in order. I occasionally drink/eat things with milk products, but I have already eliminated cheese and eggs (two items many people have trouble with).

I too became vegetarian because of the practices and inefficiencies of the meat industry. The amount of water, grain, and land used to nourish animals that we later consume is very very very high compared to the output we receive. Think about how "inefficient" a living being is, requiring energy 24/7, needing to metabolize things, giving off lots of body heat, etc etc. All the energy that is "lost" through those practices came from the grains and water that were fed to the animal.

We humans can directly eat the grains and other items we would otherwise feed the cattle/animals and save on the waste of energy.

Now, after being vegetarian for some time, I am starting to realize the numerous other benefits that go along with it. For starters, eating a vegetarian diet with whole foods (read: little or no refined carbs) is wonderful for your health. A vegetarian diet can provide all the nutrients, all the protein, that a human needs with the exception of B12. You can eat fortified foods or drinks (clif bars for example) to get some B12, or take a supplement. I recently read the book "The China Study" and it opened my eyes to the many health benefits of a veg/vegan diet. I do not take the book's word as gospel, but the intelligent reader can definitely see through some exaggerations and realize there is a lot of truth in that book.

Now, despite not switching to vegism because of it, I enjoy the fact that I do not support cruel treatment of animals and other creatures. Do I think it is wrong to eat animals? No, not at all. After all, a plant is a living thing, it has it's own intrinsic value just by being alive, similar to an animal. But that intrinsic value of life is why the horrible treatment of animals is so appalling. Nothing is wrong with eating an animal, but how about having some respect for the life it will be giving up in order to provide food for you and others?

Lastly, the Earth's water supply is in danger. I recently completed a term paper on the topic for a class last semester. Many of our practices waste water incredibly, (why do Americans pee into clean water? - boys, pee in the grass or something) eating meat is one of them. I can provide this term paper (it is not particularly great, but it does provide decent information from peer reviewed sources) if any of you guys would like to read it. Search out some peer reviewed information, both on water and the benefits of eating veg (and whole food) and you can find some startling and helpful information.

I do not like religous zealots, which is why I am reluctant to discuss my eating habits to others, because I do not want to come off as preaching. But if any of you guys are considering going veg/vegan, or interested in looking into it, go for it. I, and I am sure veganmav, would be happy to support and help you with any questions you may have.

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[onthebutton]

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#2. Look up the statistics yourself if you don't believe me. I didn't cite on purpose, so that you could research yourself.

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ELLL OH ELLL. That's an outstanding way to make a convincing argument.

[Dids]

COUNTERPOINT: WE'RE BETTER THAN COWS SO WE EAT THEM. END OF STORY SON.

Seriously,

For me, part of rationalizing eating meat is simply accepting that my position in the food chain, and genetic luckboxing mean that I GET TO EAT YOU IF YOU ARE LESSER THAN ME.

[Enon]

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COUNTERPOINT: WE'RE BETTER THAN COWS SO WE EAT THEM. END OF STORY SON.

Seriously,

For me, part of rationalizing eating meat is simply accepting that my position in the food chain, and genetic luckboxing mean that I GET TO EAT YOU IF YOU ARE LESSER THAN ME.

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So by your logic you are ethically entitled to beat down a severely mentally disabled person?

On the other hand, if you or someone else believes that god gives humans an intrinsic higher worth than animals, then according to the big three monotheisms, animals still deserve some level of ethical consideration, which applies to their treatment while they are still alive.

[stjohnychan]

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Many of our practices waste water incredibly, (why do Americans pee into clean water? - boys, pee in the grass or something) eating meat is one of them. I can provide this term paper (it is not particularly great, but it does provide decent information from peer reviewed sources) if any of you guys would like to read it.

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I for one would appreciate any research into better places for peeing. Please keep me posted.

[[Phill]]

Wtf is rainforest beef?

And the amounts of water used to produce it is irrelivent. Its not like that water is 'used up' and cannot be used again - be it long term or short term, the water cycle doesnt lie.

[Mr. T]

Anyone else look at that the pic of the dead chickens in the dumpster, before you read his post, and think it was a pic of some delicious carmel corn, yumyum!

[ikestoys]

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FWIW I do not oppose to eating animals.
I just oppose to these cruel and wasteful practices.

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so if you had your own self sustaining farm where animals were treated humanely and you could kill them in a way that was humane you would eat meat?

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Is there some sort of cruelty-free meat company? I bet that they'd do pretty well even with higher prices.

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I would bet against that. Mass appeal is for lower prices, not being nice to cows.

[ikestoys]

Also, the environmental cost of agricultural isn't cheap either... why don't we just get rid of humans? All of them?