Live Tells

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I just wanted to say thanks to knife420, RealMcCoy, meandi out of all the posts you got straight to the point.

Well done to all the kids who took 5 minutes out of their day and posted crap.

I picked up Mike Caro's book of tells and I am finding it very usefull.

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Two strongest tells from that book, which I see the most, are the shaking hands and people staring away from the table like they don't care.

Btw- you're still a [censored]-bag and I am not a kid.

[GeeseHoward]

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I just wanted to say thanks to knife420, RealMcCoy, meandi out of all the posts you got straight to the point.

Well done to all the kids who took 5 minutes out of their day and posted crap.

I picked up Mike Caro's book of tells and I am finding it very usefull.

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Two strongest tells from that book, which I see the most, are the shaking hands and people staring away from the table like they don't care.

Btw- you're still a [censored]-bag and I am not a kid.

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I never suggested anyone was a kid, I just stated I didn't want any responses from bert and earnie players.

I sense you are a little quick to make that point, either your bluffing or your a cookie monster.

[StephanK]

Besides the poor english from geese, and his anal comments towards "kids", this post is only usefull for low stakes. Tells go out the window in most cases in the higher limit live games. If you're an everyday player or perhaps twice weekly, at the same stakes in a live club or casino, you'll know the other regulars and be able to recognize fish who have money to spend on you. In regards to playing against other players who seem to know these same tells, in my experience (100 million trillion online hands in 3 weeks and 4billion sixty 5 live hands) these tells that are listed are used for the exact opposite uses or giveaways for the exact reasons. The first three books a new player reads is "Super system (one or two), Mike Carro's BOT, and Mike Carros BOT. All newbys claim that being able to "read" players with the tips given in these books are golden rules and beleive too much in their "tells." If anyone ever plays with me, these tells are exploited in my play. I wouldn't take them too seriously or by the bible.

"Why live like Kings when you can Live like Aces?" - VegasSK2005

[GeeseHoward]

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besides the poor english from geese, and his anal comments towards "kids", this post is only usefull for low stakes. Tells go out the window in most cases in the higher limit live games. If you're an everyday player or perhaps twice weekly, at the same stakes in a live club or casino, you'll know the other regulars and be able to recognize fish who have money to spend on you. In regards to playing against other players who seem to know these same tells, in my experience (100 million trillion online hands in 3 weeks and 4billion sixty 5 live hands) these tells that are listed are used for the exact opposite uses or giveaways for the exact reasons. The first three books a new player reads is "Super system (one or two), Mike Carro's BOT, and Mike Carros BOT. All newbys claim that being able to "read" players with the tips given in these books are golden rules and beleive too much in their "tells." If anyone ever plays with me, these tells are exploited in my play. I wouldn't take them too seriously or by the bible.

"Why live like Kings when you can Live like Aces?" - VegasSK2005

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Poor english, let's recap:

• Sentences start with a capital letter (Monkey)
• Newbys should be spelled “newbie’s” (Pole)
• Beleive should be spelled “believe” (Smoker)

Well done Monkey Pole Smoker.

[e_phemeral]

I find tells extremely helpful in live play. Only weak/bad players will give off tells. You should study everyone when it is their turn to act. Some good/generally accurate ones all relate to the weak is strong and strong is weak line of thinking. Here are a couple:

1. Players who see the flop and then instantly look away and try to appear uninterested in the pot, but then casually throw out a raise when it is their turn or quickly call a bet. I call this the "don't mind me, I flopped a monster" look. Not 100% reliable. Sometimes they are completely uninterested because their hand sucks. What you watch for is how they play the hand afterwards. Weak facial expressions/appearance of being disinterested coupled with betting patterns that show strength should be a warning sign.

2. Quick calls usually mean people are drawing.

3. Actors - I LOVE ACTORS - The turn gives them their nut flush and you are watching them, as you should be, when the card hits. They know you are watching them. The card hits and they look pained. Oh my god, the flush came. Oh my god, that turn card is so troubling to me. Then the go ahead and bet 2/3 the pot. Or they call your 2/3 pot bet, after agonizing for a few seconds. YES!

Actors are the absolute best. They think they are being tricky when actually they are essentially turning over their cards and showing them to you. When the face says "I'm so pained by this hand" but the betting action shows strength, you can be pretty sure you're dealing iwth a chump actor. These are generally very bad players who do this. Unlike some other tells, like splashing the pot/throwing out a bet in an aggressive fashion, that good players may use in reverse fashion to confuse you, you'll rarely find a good player who does an acting job to confuse you, so it is almost 100% reliable. And by always watching them when the flop/turn/river come, you actually can induce them to act. They can't help it.

4. The big (but not quite all in) bluff at the end. This isn't really a tell, just a betting pattern that I've noticed repeated a number of times. You are in pot betting a made hand (top pair, 2 pair, whatever) and are getting called on flop and turn by someone who you think is drawing to a straight or flush. At river, if I don't think the person has hit the draw, and I think that he/she is a bit too aggressive, I like to check it to them and give them a chance to bluff at it. You can often induce a big bluff in these hands. The missed drawer, if he's a weak player, will sometimes make a big bet to try to push you off your hand. But they often don't make the bet "big" enough - like if the person really had the nuts, they might push all in. Instead they bet big, but in comparison to their stack, they always leave themselves some chips in case they get called. It's like they think it will be too obvious they are bluffing if they push all in, and they hedge the bluf by not putting all their chips in. They may also get all closed down, staring at the felt, not wanting to make eye contact with you - again, more reliable if you are dealing with a player you consider to be overly aggressive. A good player may pretend to "close down" when he has just bet the nuts into you at the river, trying to look like he is bluffing you.

There's tons more that don't readily come to mind at the moment. Keep watching people.

[GeeseHoward]

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I find tells extremely helpful in live play. Only weak/bad players will give off tells. You should study everyone when it is their turn to act. Some good/generally accurate ones all relate to the weak is strong and strong is weak line of thinking. Here are a couple:

1. Players who see the flop and then instantly look away and try to appear uninterested in the pot, but then casually throw out a raise when it is their turn or quickly call a bet. I call this the "don't mind me, I flopped a monster" look. Not 100% reliable. Sometimes they are completely uninterested because their hand sucks. What you watch for is how they play the hand afterwards. Weak facial expressions/appearance of being disinterested coupled with betting patterns that show strength should be a warning sign.

2. Quick calls usually mean people are drawing.

3. Actors - I LOVE ACTORS - The turn gives them their nut flush and you are watching them, as you should be, when the card hits. They know you are watching them. The card hits and they look pained. Oh my god, the flush came. Oh my god, that turn card is so troubling to me. Then the go ahead and bet 2/3 the pot. Or they call your 2/3 pot bet, after agonizing for a few seconds. YES!

Actors are the absolute best. They think they are being tricky when actually they are essentially turning over their cards and showing them to you. When the face says "I'm so pained by this hand" but the betting action shows strength, you can be pretty sure you're dealing iwth a chump actor. These are generally very bad players who do this. Unlike some other tells, like splashing the pot/throwing out a bet in an aggressive fashion, that good players may use in reverse fashion to confuse you, you'll rarely find a good player who does an acting job to confuse you, so it is almost 100% reliable. And by always watching them when the flop/turn/river come, you actually can induce them to act. They can't help it.

4. The big (but not quite all in) bluff at the end. This isn't really a tell, just a betting pattern that I've noticed repeated a number of times. You are in pot betting a made hand (top pair, 2 pair, whatever) and are getting called on flop and turn by someone who you think is drawing to a straight or flush. At river, if I don't think the person has hit the draw, and I think that he/she is a bit too aggressive, I like to check it to them and give them a chance to bluff at it. You can often induce a big bluff in these hands. The missed drawer, if he's a weak player, will sometimes make a big bet to try to push you off your hand. But they often don't make the bet "big" enough - like if the person really had the nuts, they might push all in. Instead they bet big, but in comparison to their stack, they always leave themselves some chips in case they get called. It's like they think it will be too obvious they are bluffing if they push all in, and they hedge the bluf by not putting all their chips in. They may also get all closed down, staring at the felt, not wanting to make eye contact with you - again, more reliable if you are dealing with a player you consider to be overly aggressive. A good player may pretend to "close down" when he has just bet the nuts into you at the river, trying to look like he is bluffing you.

There's tons more that don't readily come to mind at the moment. Keep watching people.

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Thank you e_phemeral, I can see you have took the time out to respond with valued information. More than I can say for half the other posts.