Baseball HOF Results

[plaster8]

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I have to wonder what the mentality of some of the voters is for voting for anyone who's not in the top 5-10. Surely the guy who voted for Walk Weiss does not believe that he belongs in the HOF...so what's the motivation for voting for guys like him?

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In the Keith Olbermann/Dan Patrick ESPN book (can't remember the name), Olbermann tells a story about how HOF voters often will vote for a lower-tier guy just as a pat on the back kind of thing. "Hey, I voted for you, pal."

But one year, Olbermann says, a lot of the voters had the same idea -- and picked the same guy. So he got in. I'll try to find the story on the Web, but I don't think it was any time recently.

But anyway, I think some voters throw a bone to the guys they know won't get in as a nice gesture. Which is ridiculous.

[Jack of Arcades]

okay, biggest WTFs about the ballot.

Sutter over Gossage? WTF.
Jim Rice so high? WTF.
Alan Trammel so low? WTF.
Bert Blyleven getting screwed? WTF.
Will Clark one and done? WTF.

Here's who, from this ballot, I *wouldn't* put over Sutter in the HOF:

Pretty much every guy with 20 votes would've been a better choice than Sutter. Seriously.

[Pudge714]

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Sutter and Gossage were the first two guys on the cusp of the "Closer Era". Like it or not, the advent of the closer changed the way the game was played. So when you combine his stats and impact on the game, I think Sutter isn't a horrible inclusion.

For that same reason, I think Tommy John/Dr. James Andrews should be inducted.

Next year should be interesting with Gwynn/Ripken/MCGWIRE on the ballot. McGwire furor should be entertaining.

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From an innovation standpoint Sutter did perfect the splitter.
Also I don't see how someone would vote for Sutter and not for Gossage. I can see how one would vote for both, or neither, but not one or the other.

[samjjones]

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I am not a stats guy, and therefore have no statistical argument, but Jim Rice is my favorite baseball player of all time and should be in the Hall of Fame.

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Dave Parker is comparable to Jim Rice batting-wise, and was a much better fielder, thrower, and base runner. He was also an a-hole off the field (like Rice). I have seen ZERO support for his candidacy. Jim Rice is not a HOFer.

[Monty_Brogan]

What's keeping Dawson out? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[DVaut1]

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3. Eligible Candidates — Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

1. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning twenty (20) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.
2. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3 (A).
3. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.
4. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.
5. Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

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Interesting.

Does this mean that anyone who fits the criteria (essentially 10 years in the league) is automatically put on the ballot? I didn't realize that. It would explain DiSarcina's presence.

I wonder which voter 'threw the bone' to Weiss.

[Kevin]

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Willie fell just short again.

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No return next year for him. Bummer. I'll still sport his jersey with pride though. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]





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Willie should be a good sport and mail Dave Parker the 1985 MVP trophy - Cobra deserved it! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Kevin]

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I have to wonder what the mentality of some of the voters is for voting for anyone who's not in the top 5-10. Surely the guy who voted for Walk Weiss does not believe that he belongs in the HOF...so what's the motivation for voting for guys like him?

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In the Keith Olbermann/Dan Patrick ESPN book (can't remember the name), Olbermann tells a story about how HOF voters often will vote for a lower-tier guy just as a pat on the back kind of thing. "Hey, I voted for you, pal."

But one year, Olbermann says, a lot of the voters had the same idea -- and picked the same guy. So he got in. I'll try to find the story on the Web, but I don't think it was any time recently.

But anyway, I think some voters throw a bone to the guys they know won't get in as a nice gesture. Which is ridiculous.

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The book "The Big Show" had an entire chapter on the HOF and basically Keith said that the HOF was eternally cheapened when the Veterans Committee put Rick Farrell in in 1984. He said that there was a political thing going on where guys would put a guy on the ballot so that they can tell him that they voted for him - but that year, too many guys did it the same year and he got in - with these career stats:

18 Seasons 1884 6028 687 1692 324 45 28 734 29 35 931 277 .281 .378 .363 2190 103 0 0 10 55.

[Paluka]

There are a lot of similarities between Jim Rice, Dale Murphy, Andrew Dawson and Dave Parker. Rice is by far the best hitter, even after you adjust for Fenway. He is also quite obviously by far the worst base runner and fielder in the group. I don't think having none of them in the HOF is a bad thing, although all four are obviously better than some HOFers.

[utmt40]

I dont see how Andre Dawson didnt get it. He was my first baseball card!

EDIT: Lets not forget Pete Rose had 10 write in votes.