Late in tourney, AQ in SB facing a Button push - Page 4

SoBeDude · #31 04-13-2006, 01:08 AM

So, any arguement comes down to a reason you should pass on an edge at this stage of a tournament. Unless you want to provide some rational why this is correct, you can't honestly expect anyone to see why a deep discussion is warranted.

Oh and it seems their reasoning is based on the chips I lose (if I lose the hand) are more of a loss than the chips I gain if I call and win.

-Scott

Requin · #32 04-13-2006, 01:08 AM

Then that forum either:
1- has a vastly different opinion than us on the average pushing range for villain here (and I mean a REALLY smaller range) or
2- thinks they will find alot more equity in other spots than they really will

Requin · #33 04-13-2006, 01:10 AM

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So, any arguement comes down to a reason you should pass on an edge at this stage of a tournament. Unless you want to provide some rational why this is correct, you can't honestly expect anyone to see why a deep discussion is warranted.

Oh and it seems their reasoning is based on the chips I lose (if I lose the hand) are more of a loss than the chips I gain if I call and win.

-Scott

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That reasoning can be applied to an argument to fold aces here.

Ansky · #34 04-13-2006, 01:10 AM

Just link the p5s thread, so we can see which all stars said this is a fold.

Ansky · #35 04-13-2006, 01:16 AM

Nevermind I found the thread, and wtf do you mean the overwhelming response was fold? There were quite a few call responses, and from some pretty damn good players.

Hardly anyone who said fold gave a range or even said anything that made sense at all. They said "you are 60/40 or a big dog, wtf is that.

nath · #36 04-13-2006, 01:19 AM

I'm sure they argued "You don't really want to race or be dominated here". P5s is atrocious for actual hand discussion and analysis.

I call this all day, every day, because I have a BIG edge against the button's range and I'm looking to get those chips because I'm not under the delusion that my stack is strong enough to pass up those edges.

edit: I wrote that before I saw Ansky's reply but it's more or less what I would have expected.

Ansky · #37 04-13-2006, 01:22 AM

The best part of that thread is that the OP actually says to "keep the responses short."

Requin · #38 04-13-2006, 01:22 AM

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agreed w/ matt (who said call), this thread is the most shocking thing I've read on p5 since I learned that JJ was 16.

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This is from Ari, I don't know who this is but since he's on their front page as a top 5 player I'd say he's one of the better posters on the site. Also he has the same name as me so I have to give him credit.

THEOSU · #39 04-13-2006, 01:36 AM

He also likes James Taylor, so that just reinforces his quality, IMO...

BTW using P5s as "unanimous" evidence of a fold really doesn't convince me.

nath · #40 04-13-2006, 01:36 AM

If you ever want a kick, read through some of the other hand discussion threads. I just found one where someone smooth called one raise with KK preflop, got all his chips in on a low flop, and was trying to figure out how to get away from losing to AA.
Stuff like that all over the place.