Meat And Potatoes Real Life Good Question

[Zal123]

It's not entirly a math question. If there is a flop a lot depends on the play after that. David made no guidelines for what will happen depending on what the flop brings.

I would probably call and re-evaluate after the flop. If it looks safe I will probably try and get as much money in as possible. Not deepstacked enough to let go of KK that easy, if opponent has AA, so be it.

[CaseAceJ]

I actually think this answer is pretty easy. Since you have equal decent size stacks you have to fold. If he has AA you will lose your stack, and If he has a smaller pair and flops unders hes going to play it hard like he has AA. I also think if you consider the player to be tight he probably has you tied at worst. Remember KK is a great hand, but it's just one pair. In Limit I pop it to the river unless u hit a bad flop of course, but in NL your better off finding a better spot since the Donks try their hardest to give you their money.

[RikaKazak]

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I actually think this answer is pretty easy. Since you have equal decent size stacks you have to fold. If he has AA you will lose your stack, and If he has a smaller pair and flops unders hes going to play it hard like he has AA. I also think if you consider the player to be tight he probably has you tied at worst. Remember KK is a great hand, but it's just one pair. In Limit I pop it to the river unless u hit a bad flop of course, but in NL your better off finding a better spot since the Donks try their hardest to give you their money.

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LOL, are you serious?

[gummy d]

push

[Rotating Rabbit]

This is a dumb maths problem.

Dumb because its taking a simple concept like conditional probability and making it stupidly complex with no added value. Rather like asking someone to work out the first 200 prime numbers in their head for kicks. Completely pointless.

I call.

I don't understand the argument for folding. Sorry.

[jjigglers]

You're ahead 3:2 against his range.

Mathematically, if the re-raise big is essentially all-in, it's a -EV play, considering he only folds about 50% of the time, and when he calls, you're a 10:9 dog (the folds gain you $635, 50% of the time).

If you re-raise small, and he re-raises you (~25% of the time), and you call all-in (because you are now getting the right odds), you're about a 5:4 dog. The other 75% of the time where he calls, you're ahead 4:3 if you magically get all in no matter what flops.

Re-raise big = slightly -EV
Re-raise small = +EV assuming you get all in sooner or later, or ? if he folds to x% of boards and y% agression with Z hand.
Call = ? (we really don't know what happens on the flop)

I think the point of the question is to not push vs. this Villain.

[Mikey]

you see this is your problem..... you delve too much into this %age crap.... start going into a little more psychology and hand reading and your results will improve.

Stop wasting time with this crap.

10% this 8% that, blahh blahh blahh...... are you serious cuz?

[kagame]

borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring

[riverboatking]

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I actually think this answer is pretty easy. Since you have equal decent size stacks you have to fold. If he has AA you will lose your stack, and If he has a smaller pair and flops unders hes going to play it hard like he has AA. I also think if you consider the player to be tight he probably has you tied at worst. Remember KK is a great hand, but it's just one pair. In Limit I pop it to the river unless u hit a bad flop of course, but in NL your better off finding a better spot since the Donks try their hardest to give you their money.

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give me a break.
by that reasoning you should fold AA preflop too because its only one pair.
i can't believe how many people are talking about mucking KK like its 55 just because someone raises.
i don't know what type of games you play in, but if your so quick to muck KK preflop to a raise maybe you should take your skirt and training bra and find another game.