short stack push for 2xBB, ATo on button

[shaundeeb]

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I make it 600 here with like any 2

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Huh? The short stack made it 2xBB and you raise to 3xBB to isolate with any 2? Some hands are not ahead out pot odds versus short stack's range. Plus if you reraise you can be pushed off it by another raise or flat called by a better hand.

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When I say like any2 that means any hand I didn't have autofold on OTB which is a lot of hands at this level. You are getting 2 to 1 and SB and BB fold more often then you could think and the small RR from a known player scares the [censored] out of them to flat call a lot of hands they should be shoving. You then have pos a small sidepot and I usually bet 200-400 on the flop when checked to.

[betgo]

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I make it 600 here with like any 2

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Huh? The short stack made it 2xBB and you raise to 3xBB to isolate with any 2? Some hands are not ahead out pot odds versus short stack's range. Plus if you reraise you can be pushed off it by another raise or flat called by a better hand.

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When I say like any2 that means any hand I didn't have autofold on OTB which is a lot of hands at this level. You are getting 2 to 1 and SB and BB fold more often then you could think and the small RR from a known player scares the [censored] out of them to flat call a lot of hands they should be shoving. You then have pos a small sidepot and I usually bet 200-400 on the flop when checked to.

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I think you are making a mistake playing anything much worse than ATo here. Isolating doesn't gain you that much, and you have to fold to another raise. I think you need a better hand to play here than if it was folded to you OTB.

[shaundeeb]

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I make it 600 here with like any 2

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Huh? The short stack made it 2xBB and you raise to 3xBB to isolate with any 2? Some hands are not ahead out pot odds versus short stack's range. Plus if you reraise you can be pushed off it by another raise or flat called by a better hand.

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When I say like any2 that means any hand I didn't have autofold on OTB which is a lot of hands at this level. You are getting 2 to 1 and SB and BB fold more often then you could think and the small RR from a known player scares the [censored] out of them to flat call a lot of hands they should be shoving. You then have pos a small sidepot and I usually bet 200-400 on the flop when checked to.

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I think you are making a mistake playing anything much worse than ATo here. Isolating doesn't gain you that much, and you have to fold to another raise. I think you need a better hand to play here than if it was folded to you OTB.

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thats the great part of MTTs we can disagree and prob both be correct with some points. I iso a lot of people with a lot of hands I love when getting 2 to 1 for a small part of my stack. Esp when people know who I am and that I prob am playing 15+ tables they assume my range is tighter then it is even after it gets to showdown very few adjust.

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Shaun, raising here lighter than you'd raise if it was folded to you is just silly.

Obviously the actual range depends on the table, and often it'll be any two. ATo is an incredibly easy raise, though.

[shaundeeb]

noah thats why I said anything I didn't have autofold on which means I open raise if folded to me sorry if that wasn't clear